Come on Palmer, freak us!

Facts occur according to the market situation.

Pre-release Facts (gotta give it a name) are dangerous to companies who are going to make or break their company based on what they present to the public.

What they present to the public will be heavily scrutinized by potential competitors, so those competitors may understand how to place their efforts and possibly find a way to steer Oculus VR into the ditch.

Being involved in technological wars involving commercial products on several fronts, over the past 14 years... has taught me that other competing companies, their support networks, their retailers and so on..that this group, overall, will do everything in their power to stab one (as a competitor) to death in their own house, in any way that they can, at every turn.

The general public does not get to see these things in most cases. The public, for the most part, is to remain totally ignorant of such things, as knowing it causes them to be a bit 'ruined' in their outlook. Some part of their dream of the way things are... is spoiled... like meeting their hero and ending up smelling their hero's farts. The dream projection becomes tainted.

Oculus gives you nothing until the appointed time, as that is the way it has to be. Every day they do not project their moves is another day that competitors lose out on the chance to build a more refined and targeted method to screw Oculus over with. Every day they keep their silence is another day of gaining respect with companies who may look at working with them, as holding one's tongue and keeping data and information close...especially a track record of doing so...is critical and important behavior for a potential partner to see in the other given party.

Yes, it really is that bad.

And yes, everyone does it that way, as this is what the commercial world has come down to. Especially in a market area that is emergent and opening up like this one of VR hardware.

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To be blunt, I am personally sickened by this aspect of how the world works; and it is holding humanity back, not helping it. Though I am stuck dealing with these aspects myself, I'd rather all this garbage behavior and 'way of being' end, as it is not the kind of psychosis that is going to ever do anything good for humanity.

Interestingly enough, the vast majority of the folks stuck in these sorts of situations feel the same way as I do, but we cannot easily end it, until some form of open human community forms -one that is free of the murderous scarcity mentality that seems to currently occupy the whole mind of humanity. Until we burn the sociopaths out of all levels of human endeavor, this will continue as normal (unending) fare.

And those little exciting snippets of information from people that were lucky enough to see "the future" in Oculus labs, are getting more and more teasing. The wait for consumer version is gonna be unbearable ;)

https://twitter.com/BrianFargo/status/408988980084895745
https://twitter.com/MarkRein/status/408014285122453504

"KBK" wrote:

To be blunt, I am personally sickened by this aspect of how the world works; and it is holding humanity back, not helping it. Though I am stuck dealing with these aspects myself, I'd rather all this garbage behavior and 'way of being' end, as it is not the kind of psychosis that is going to ever do anything good for humanity.

Interestingly enough, the vast majority of the folks stuck in these sorts of situations feel the same way as I do, but we cannot easily end it, until some form of open human community forms -one that is free of the murderous scarcity mentality that seems to currently occupy the whole mind of humanity. Until we burn the sociopaths out of all levels of human endeavor, this will continue as normal (unending) fare.

KBK these are powerful ideas and it inspires me to return here and chat with you and I hope foster some good ideas and debate. Perhaps we don't have to burn out the sociopaths, but merely convince them it is in thier own best interests to join and advance the borg collective. Why attack a killer who is better armed than you, when you can peacefully wait them out or just bypass them? Mandela lived to 95 years old, thats pretty old, he was a slave and imprisoned for a long time KBK, what almost 2.5 decades? He got out though, and he changed things for the better.

http://i.imgur.com/TPTKI5i.jpg

Here is a picture of young open source Jedi Palmer, with his Darth Luckey Shadow after he matures. A lot of people gave to Palmer freely, to help all of us on this planet, he chose to take the "open source" project down the path of capitalist corruption. Are we going to have a better VR future because he chose to go that way, or would things be different if he had chosen to keep the project totally and completely open source in a way that might make jaron lanier or stallman proud. Its possible, maybe Palmer took the best path, not keeping things totally open source. Now he is in the trap you so eloquently describe though, the company has needs, beyond people, reputation, secrecy, so that other nefarious abstract entitites will deal with it (other companies) and further down the rabbit hole we go NEO. The companies have become more important than the human beings beneath them. Perhaps something doesn't feel right, all this obscurity and opaqueness perhaps is for the best though? They have made amazing progress, I hold Kevin Williams in very high regard and in previous talks at other boards even he didn't seem to predict the fast advances Palmer and team has pulled out of the ether! LOL! Yet many talks with a hacker at dragoncon, Jonny X, and him telling me this is a real evil in our society, companies being given citizenship status, was pure darkness.

Would it have been a bad choice, with slower progress if things had remained totally open source? Does all this patent sillyness going on all over the place really enrich all 8 billion of us? I have friends and colleagues that either through total secrecy of their work (that they do for USAF or pentagon), or the ability to patent it, feed themselves and their families, they would fight you to the bitter end to keep the current economic situation enforced. They are for the most part rational scientists, the problem only gets worse when you expand it out to the general populace and entrenched bankster types.

I have made my thoughts on Neil public for the most part, so I am no lackey of his, but I was there when he gave Nvidia the shaft at siggraph in new orleans, and I was proud he did it. It needed doing, and Neil was just the guy to punch them in the nutz. One of their people came up to him (because he wouldn't let them present) and started cussing him like a punk, the guy was so enraged, I really thought he was about to punch Neil. We need more people like Neil doing things like that, sticking it to the dark forces of this planet, stinging them like an ancient socrates used to do in Athens. A lot of people wouldn't have said NO to the mighty NVDA. It took a Neil rejecting the status quo.

I have watched Palmer change over the years from who I thought was one of the coolest most passionate people I was blessed to know, to someone who now is trapped by the same dark forces enslaving you, (for all of you that think I hate or attack Palmer, its the system around him forcing his hand that disgusts me) I challenge him and iribe every single chance I can about what they have done to "promote" VR under the system we all are existing under. Wormslayer over at reddit isn't content to let the community judge for themselves what posts of mine they wish to read relating to that, he actively goes in and removes my posts now (even after Palmer was generous enough to give me some reddit gold - thanks Palmer), Wormslayer has to do your thinking for you I guess, and censoring for you, you are all overgrown babies after all that can't do it for yourself yes? I don't need Wormslayer censoring for me, I am a big boy, I can do my own thought control (sigh)

KBK modern civilization has a lot going for it, people live a lot longer, for the most part people live a lot wealthier. Top economists have told me that our modern hybrid capitalist system is the best, using the sociopath's own greed to advance society for us all. U seem to disagree, maybe thinking something is terribly wrong with the whole rube goldberg contraption as you express above. I would like to know your path old wise Jedi that led you here, the specific experiences and history that got you to this belief, so I can learn from your past and understand. What is so wrong about a system that for the most part gives 8 billion people on the planet a much better life than just 100 years ago (where what, the average person died on average around 40 years old?)

I have read some postings of Geek Master on other forums about Jesus, I don't think he supports crony capitalism, you say you don't like the system either, I sure don't either, my experience being what I have seen at the pentagon and military, to what I saw while employed at IBM, and on down the line through so many other companies and experiences. It disgusted me to no end to see technologies and knowledge be censored or shelved while real human beings perished because it could molest next quarters profits if released too soon.

If there are so many passionate people that are so disgusted with how the system entraps, ensnares, and enslaves us all, what are your thoughts on re-engineering it? Let me tie Carmack into this thought process too, he was having a field day on his twitter account bitching about the absolute and total stupidity of NASA NTRS info being more easily accessible to north korea than the public citizens of the USA!! How the "orphans of apollo" guy was shut down by corrupt and evil tyrants. How even carmack himself and his armadillo aerospace initiative was effectively cut at the ballz. As much as I appreciate Carmack working on VR, if he was passionate about space and asteroid defenses, and certainly Carmack is a very brilliant person, I think its a damn shame he is not working on what he really loved because so many dark forces were working against him instead of working FOR him aerospace wise. Certainly defending the planet from asteroids should be a higher priority than VR yes?

I have been reading your frustrations for awhile now KBK. http://www.reddit.com/r/virtualreality/comments/1gulud/palantir_now_funding_oculus_is_this_a_good/cdffhsn?context=3 I had so many good posts relating to very similar memes here, but Wormslayer chose to erase them, but you say you cannot EASILY end the system, the problem is massive. A long time ago, on a message board far away (MTBS3D) this young jedi named Palmer showed up wondering what the fuck was wrong with VR and HMD's, why was shit still so farked, the good high FOV systems costing 10K's, but he kept plugging along, along with many others, and things are changing and have changed, so with that example, I say that is proof positive, that you KBK, if you will just reject the current political/economic/social system, instead of throwing your hands up to what seems an impossible task, can make massive changes in the future for us all. All it takes KBK is one passionate person to change this planet, if the time is right. I used to think there were 2 certain things in life, death and taxes, but with GOOG's Calico and researching telomerase perhaps death will be solved soon, and the economic capitalist system will perish as it disenfranchises more and more humans while people like you choose to reject it and topple it at every opportunity, you are not alone KBK, there are so many working with you behind the scenes to bring about progressive change. Stay positive and please tell me your thoughts on what we all can do to overthrow the entrenched forces of the dark side? Saying it can't be done or is too hard is not a way forward.

I was recently trying to get Bruce Boxleitner to come to steam dev days and see about making his lantern city project a VR TV series, this led to learning some interesting history about the start of babylon 5, and how Roddenberrys wife Majel Barret pulled some pretty evil shit to try and shut them down at the very beginning, I didn't like reading that KBK, I met her many times at a lot of coventions and was really taken with her, and it hurt to find out she did those things, but babylon 5 prevailed, even with all the dark powerful forces working against it from the star trek fan world. From Carmack, down to Palmer, and you, me and geek master and so many others, I think we all agree some drastic changes need to be made, I will go out fighting for those changes to the bitter end.

As WEEV told me KBK, they may kill certain people, there is a long list of people they have killed in the past, jailed, threatened. WEEV is sitting in jail now, like Mandela sat in jail before him. You start talking about taking away the bankster's yachts and their cronies, or marginalizing their power or control, they are not going to like it, but we have to get some changes in our political and legal system. What specific laws do you think we need to change first to start making some traction? Patent laws? The intractibility of the two party system (where other nations have multiple parties)? The lack of optimal currency areas and too much monetary fiat control? Popularized internet forums where too few have censorship power over too many? Where do we start KBK? As you say KBK, there are a lot of us, wanting to escape this slavery, and some new society needs to form an "open human community" I have hope KBK, I was at oaksterdam when the feds raided richard lee, they took all his plants. (So much for Obama and his shroom gang roots) but I am in Seattle now, and they just had the 1 year party at the Space Needle for the FREEDOM for an adult human to choose if they want to eat a plant or not. The tyrants can be stopped.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjBwAYIxUso

Hmm, as a "newomer" to the rift and a very busy YouTube Researcher of the rift over the last couple of days, I can say that I feel pretty well informed about the course the rift is taking.

ATM they are working hard on implementing the necessary advancements for the final product. 1080p screen (or even higher?) and 6 dof being the main points.

They also more or less said that we can expect a final version in the not too distant future.

I am not sure what more is to be expected from them? Especially with competing products popping up all over the place they should not lay all the cards on the table.

@cleverusername

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." - Henry David Thoreau

The problem is that the thousands are sitting in the branches and can't see the root. The system of scarcity has blinded them,and in scientific terms, it was recently found that this also narrows their intellect, in the formation and reality sense (biological results in medical research proves this as a final point in conclusional 'ego sum' analysis, that the scarcity mentality is what is dumbing us down).

The root is all forms of energy control, which becomes the limit, focus and polarization of mind/outlook/'way of being' of all humanity.

If you break some of the system, it merely erects it's self similarly, nay, identically..again..as the root source of the energy scarcity tactic and method, has not been chopped down at the root.

The door lock and violence enacted upon those researchers who dare to delve into over-unity devices, gravity devices, electrostatic type energy devices and so on, that system of control is in the act of being breached, right now.

For example, over at PESWIKI, they now list some 40 different types of gravity wheel. In which all successful versions...are extractions of the fundamental of Milkovic's two stage oscillator. Milkovec has shown how this works in as simple a device as is possible.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Milkovic_Two-Stage_Mechanical_Oscillator

Such designs regularly obtain 200-300-800% efficiency. They work as gravity on this planet is not identical in the horizontal vs the vertical plane. Proofing this is easy, even a gasoline engine can do it, having been shown, in perfected engineering examples, to be 10% more efficient when the motor rotational orientation is horizontal over that of being vertical. (very precise and controlled testing of perfected examples). In the Milkovec oscillator it is illustrated that the dark matter connectivity of atomic structure (individual 'atoms') is shifted slightly, in how gravity integrates with it, at approximately the 45 degree angle point, as the pendulum shifts from vertical to horizontal inertial motion. (think of the motion of the two stage oscillator being like a diode based pump system for gravity. Since it is dark field gravity integration and it is physical, the motion of the physical components within the gravity/dark fields---is the diode)( earth's gravity is not static, it is a complex flow system, which is why the diode/pump functions)

All those 40 examples of gravity motors are utilizing this fundamental. It works in their case, after the largest of the given flywheels reach the point where skin effect and speed of propagation in the given material of the specific flywheel is accounted for. This involves Planck length differentials as a fundamental concern. This is exemplified in how a high speed dynamo designed motor, if run to it's highest speed is braked hard, stopped as fast as possible, and then brought back up to speed again as fast as possible. If it is done that way, with all variables accounted for..it will return to it's normal speed with 10% less energy input, compared to the same test where the motor is stopped for any given longer period of time... then returned to it's running speed. this result clearly illustrates the dark field or gravity field integration with the materials and fields of the motor/dynamo.

Back to the Planck length connectivity issue, an article that just came out yesterday, in the physics mainstream. Public science is finally allowing that gravity is not a fundamental but a secondary result of deeper fundamentals.

Not being a fundamental and thus tied to molecular/atomic/quantum expression points, ie the parameters of atomic structure, means that it is physically manipulable. (eg..things like the two stage oscillator and gravity wheels)

The theoretical results bolster the relatively new and exciting idea that the laws of gravity holding together the universe may not be fundamental, but arise from something else: quantum entanglement.

Creation of entanglement simultaneously gives rise to a wormhole

(do not dismiss, folks, that is merely one article of hundreds and more, in connective tissue - that makes it real)

There is a ton of articles and research papers coming out in these areas, over the past few years, and it is now peaking, which is why the panic in these sociopathic energy control systems is rising to a fever pitch.

The glass ceiling is being breached on all fronts, these days, so their desire to remain in control is also coming up as being under serious attack. Thus their undermining of efforts, on all fronts, via the rising paranoia and destruction that is thrust into humanity via their actions and attempts. The hidden hand and and it's clandestine ways and wars...are inevitably slipping into public view.

Again, the root is specifically in the paranoia inducement in energy control, which narrows focus for the rats biting each other in the enforced cage, which narrows their focus so they can't see the cage. The walls are coming down, the matrix is being broken and the root consideration of it all, at this time...is in the energy control area.

"KBK" wrote:
... All those 40 examples of gravity motors are utilizing this fundamental. It works in their case, after the largest of the given flywheels reach the point where skin effect and speed of propagation in the given material of the specific flywheel is accounted for. This involves Planck length differentials as a fundamental concern. This is exemplified in how a high speed dynamo designed motor, if run to it's highest speed is braked hard, stopped as fast as possible, and then brought back up to speed again as fast as possible. If it is done that way, with all variables accounted for..it will return to it's normal speed with 10% less energy input, compared to the same test where the motor is stopped for any given longer period of time... then returned to it's running speed. this result clearly illustrates the dark field or gravity field integration with the materials and fields of the motor/dynamo. ...

Power generator powered exclusively by gravity:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Frarenergia.com.br%2F&act=url



And they are building a second "gravity engine" in Illinios USA too, to power a large electrical generator...

Some people obviously believe in this enough for a large investment.

"KBK" wrote:
... Not being a fundamental and thus tied to molecular/atomic/quantum expression points, ie the parameters of atomic structure, means that it is physically manipulable. (eg..things like the two stage oscillator and gravity wheels)

The theoretical results bolster the relatively new and exciting idea that the laws of gravity holding together the universe may not be fundamental, but arise from something else: quantum entanglement.

Creation of entanglement simultaneously gives rise to a wormhole

(do not dismiss, folks, that is merely one article of hundreds and more, in connective tissue - that makes it real)

There is a ton of articles and research papers coming out in these areas, over the past few years, and it is now peaking, which is why the panic in these sociopathic energy control systems is rising to a fever pitch. ...

Quantum entanglement is also being studied regarding its relationship to spin-mediated consciousness:
http://cogprints.org/4581/1/Entanglement.pdf

You can create quantum entanglement with a cathode ray tube (i.e. CRT display). Perhaps that is why we are discarding our "obsolete" CRTs?
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0503/0503052.pdf

Physicists Create Quantum Link Between Photons That Don't Exist at the Same Time:
http://news.sciencemag.org/2013/05/physicists-create-quantum-link-between-photons-dont-exist-same-time

And just for fun, a "feed the beast" quantum generator:
http://ftbwiki.org/Quantum_Generator

And there was a successful quantum generator crowd funding on indiegogo, for those wishing to power their homes with free energy:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/home-quantum-energy-generator

WTF did I just read?

"Popopinsel" wrote:
WTF did I just read?

Did you read the linked pages, or just the embedded text?

Perpetual motion and free energy and immortality are fun to read about, and fun to laugh at. But recent research suggests that there is more to it than we think (or that many of us want to think)...

As I said many times, we are limited mostly by our imaginations. Also, our notion about what is "real" is subject to change...

Those in "power" do not want us to know how much personally available power we really have. They think we are not ready to handle full knowledge of what is "real" and dole it out to us slowly and meagerly...

That control over what we are ALLOWED to know is what should really "freak us"... ;)

EDIT: The interwebs are full of all sorts of awesome and terrifying stuff, take it or leave it. It is yours to consume as you choose (at least that small portion which you are allowed to know about). The stuff that interests me most is ephemeral, being public for only a brief period of time, after which it "never existed". Such is the nature of leading edge research that suddenly becomes "classified knowlege". Even the "laws" of physics are subject to change as we learn (or are allowed to learn) more about exotic esoteria hiding just out of sight... Those dark recesses control our future. We should explore them...

Quantum entanglement in macroscopic (visible by naked eye) objects (diamonds):

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And more interesting news:

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Making this groundbreaking observation of electrons as they transition from light to heavy particles is only part of the story. The researchers also showed how the process can be understood based on quantum theories of electron behavior. Subatomic particles such as electrons can exhibit strange behavior because of quantum entanglement, which can mix diametrically opposite behaviors together. By comparing the data with theoretical calculations, the study shows that heavy electrons emerge from entanglement of two opposite behaviors of electrons, one in which they are localized around individual atoms and the other in which they are hopping freely from atom to atom in the crystal.

And the technological singularity is still decades away. The ride is going to be even more awesomely wild than we can imagine. VR is just one tiny aspect that is yet to be imagined. Reality itself will morph before our own eyes.

And that is just what tiny portion of our Perceptually Mediated Reality the Military-Industrial Complex wants us to see. If we think "WTF?" on the simple stuff above, perhaps they are right that we (in general) cannot handle the "truth" in all of its complex glory. Can we prepare for our possible futures?