When lurking in the general forum, sometimes I feel this angry vibe against enthusiasts who buy the rift but don't plan to make anything.Personally, I think that enthusiasts and developers are on the same spectrum (just different points on that same spectrum). It isn't good to put enthusiasts in a box, because all enthusiasts have the potential of converting into a developer.Anyways, what are your thoughts?Also when does an enthusiast who makes things become a "real developer"?

This is just ridiculous. We don't get this much developers who really need it, the Oculus VR is basically just handing the Rifts to anyone to increaase adoption rates - examples of many many hardware items show that it's utterly crucial. Otherwise it will end up useless.Real developer don't even need the Rift. They just use the SDK to create a Rift-compatible rendering in their conventional game that mainly supports conventional means of display, maybe it's hard tweak something without the real thing - it's only needed for testing, and therefore that's hardly relevant until the relese version even comes out. And even then, there's always means for big companies to get their unit faster, up to "the next day" faster.Maybe some hobbyist developers will end up having Rift delay, but who cares - they don't drive the industry.The whole topic is moot.

"raidho36" wrote:Real developer don't even need the Rift. They just use the SDK to create a Rift-compatible rendering in their conventional game that mainly supports conventional means of display, maybe it's hard tweak something without the real thing - it's only needed for testing, and therefore that's hardly relevant until the relese version even comes out. And even then, there's always means for big companies to get their unit faster, up to "the next day" faster.I think the whole point is to have your game working prior to consumer release, rather than sloppily slapped together when it is too late. You can't garner attention and market your game as Oculus Rift compatible if you haven't even gotten that far.I'm not sure what technical problems and challenges might arise when someone is testing their game on the Rift (I haven't gotten that far yet myself) but something often finds a way to go wrong. It could even be something on the design level; perhaps the movement doesn't feel good when the game is played on the Rift, but on the standard screen there is no real way of knowing.Its like developing mobile apps. Even if you can use an emulator on your computer, you never know how it quite looks or runs until you get it on that phone. Often you'll find unprecedented issues when you do. General rule of thumb is to never release anything without thoroughly making sure it works. Any other approach is surely bound for disaster.

Tell that Hawken development team - they barely test ANYTHING before releasing it to public, and they hardly bother to fix any of it afterwards. It already yielded truckloads of things that make bad impression, ranging from minor annoyance to major dealbreaker. And people are still playing that game, like none of that even matters.

Well, being a total newbie, I think enthusiasts can be important for driving the development process. I was adviced to not buy a development kit because I don't actually develop - but why not? I would like to be a part of seeing the development of the Rift history itself.Also, diving into what developers are doing has sort of surprised me: I am really baffled that academic circles haven't really picked up on this technology yet, especially bioinformatics.

"lissencephalic" wrote:Well, being a total newbie, I think enthusiasts can be important for driving the development process. I was adviced to not buy a development kit because I don't actually develop - but why not? I would like to be a part of seeing the development of the Rift history itself.Right.Especially for indie folks, public beta testing is invaluable. In my mind, there are no reasonable developers who have a problem with unbridled dev kit ownership.The people who complain are probably just those cliquey types who want to feel special. They should get over themselves.

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mrscratch
Honored Guest
12 years ago
I don't like the fact that I have to wait so long because the team is flooded with orders for people who only want to play with it. Other then that it's not that big a deal.
natalievfx
Honored Guest
12 years ago
I feel it is important for enthusiast to play the crap out of the content and complain about the bugs so the developers can know what to fix.
antigravity
Explorer
12 years ago
"360FOV" wrote:
Without enthusiasts there would be no developers! :shock: And without developers there would be no enthusiasts!

They are like night and day... can't have one without the other!

Hahah, this exactly!

Now if the device came with -zero- content- and no real access to content outside of making your own?
In that case ONLY developers would be interested.

With the Rift it's the middle ground.. so it's valuable to both groups.

It's good to remember many enthusiasts fund developer projects as well.. win/win
Anonymous
Not applicable
12 years ago
I'm an enthusiast, and I don't understand all the hate.

I've a lot of time for developers, they make the technology progress and I love messing around with the demos and games that others have spent a great deal of time creating. But you need us enthusiasts, we are the ones who try out your hard work and give you feedback which can be vital, we go hand in hand.

I would love to have a go at developing but I dont have the skills, im in a full time job and I have a young son to look after. I just dont have the time.
thespacious
Honored Guest
12 years ago
"hairydavey" wrote:
I'm an enthusiast, and I don't understand all the hate.

I've a lot of time for developers, they make the technology progress and I love messing around with the demos and games that others have spent a great deal of time creating. But you need us enthusiasts, we are the ones who try out your hard work and give you feedback which can be vital, we go hand in hand.

I would love to have a go at developing but I dont have the skills, im in a full time job and I have a young son to look after. I just dont have the time.

I hear that, and I am also an enthusiast at this point. I think it takes inspiration to take the time to become good enough to do anything, especially something as complicated as game/software development. I have tried to learn several different programming languages over the years, just so that when I did find something that really interested me I wouldn't be starting from scratch, and since I found the rift I've felt more inspired than ever to make an amazing computing experience. So I think enthusiasm is good, it leads you where you need to be to become a developer.
Jose
Heroic Explorer
12 years ago
What do you call someone who's not exactly an enthusiast, and also not exactly a developer? Enthuloper? Develiast? :?:
dghost
Honored Guest
12 years ago
The same thing you call everyone else: a Rifter ;)

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