Sony JP rush to patent their 'Lighthouse' style new tracking system - in order to address serious issues with PSVR and growing returns:

I think there is a confusion regarding the two camps - on one side those that actually wanted to have an open VR community and those that sold VR to their bosses as a means to create a commercial empire to control built on the original promises of openness. It has been hard on some executives to see the companies they started turn from a VR community with open forums and meetups, and turn into secretive and manipulative operations that would work against open relations.The tracking issue is a case in point - everyone who had the chance to test/loan the VR Room saw a great opportunity for shared development - but in selling the company as a means to creating a corporate empire, that seemed to end the opportunity for cooperation. A good example of the collapse of the openness was how many DK1 designs were made available under the promise after acquisition. Likewise, Valve has made the Lighthouse designs available, and two new mirror-box designs will be resulting from this accord in the next few months. Hopefully, the folly of Constellation can be superseded by a new Lighthouse available to those willing to work on community VR rather than controlled VR!

You cant exactly extend the 12v cables though can ya atmos, thats what percy is saying

Stuff gets patented all the time and never makes it to market. We'd have flying cars, perpetual-motion free energy and transparent credit-card size phones by now if they did.On top of which, as I've consistently said the PSVR tracking works ridiculously well for the bodged up low-res solution that they've put in place. Even Move space tracking is good - it's the angle tracking from the shitty old accelerometers that's not, and Tumble succesfully coaxes competence out of them even then. I'm not seeing any groundswell of returns for tracking, only disappointment about resolution. Is this a complete non-story?

As i see the two projectors seem to connect to a common "computing device" with a cable so I wouldn`t call them `lighthouse` style, but in a sense you are right. It would be interesting to see if they would actually try to patent a tracking system that was developed by valve.Other than that, PSVR was born dead already due to providing a bad quality VR experience even though having way more time and resources from the beginning (till the point of fb aq, lets say).I mean, not even the PS4pro is decent enough to rival gaming pcs, and the regular ps4... well you know.On top of that, it was an incredibly bold and stupid move to try to sell the exact same hardware for controllers that have failed spectacularly in the past: people are suggested to buy motion trackers proven to be very immersion breaking even in flatscreen games.Its like if oculus tried to launch CV1 with kinect instead of developing touch.To me its beyond comprehension why people wouldnt use the actual lighthouse solution, since as far as i know its possible (technically and legally).Didn't read about that part too much so i might be wrong.

matskatsaba said: ...To me its beyond comprehension why people wouldnt use the actual lighthouse solution, since as far as i know its possible (technically and legally).Didn't read about that part too much so i might be wrong. This would be what the previous co-founder of Oculus argued with the management team over - that they were wasting time on Constellation when they had been offered the chance to work with Lighthouse, as a certain exec fought for sitting only as "..room-scale was a dead-end")!I think Sony JP management would never work with Valve/HTC so that option was never a possibility. To be frank Sony management are very close-minded, and denial is a main mantra of their way of business. You can see how they treated any of the London team that questioned the use of Move - even after the "sick-machine" debacle.To finally have to secretly admit to Move's poor performance, and impact on projected sales will be an incredibly hard thing for them to admit too. And I am sure that the secret nature of this patent is to keep from the board the possibility of the mistake (and to save the blushes of certain key executives).The ramifications that even the PS4Pro is not suitable as a VR vehicle would be as damming a blow, as the failure that SEGA saw with their own VR headset back in 1996 (history repeating itself?)

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danknugz
Superstar
9 years ago
just like that hipster song
Anonymous
9 years ago
Approved

Percy1983 said:

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As above neither method is perfect and which is better/worse involves many factors so neither can be universally better/worse.

Although I suppose that extending power has fewer issues with interference, attenuation and possibly even lag.
Percy1983
Superstar
9 years ago

jab said:

Percy1983 said:

Personally I would rather have low voltage USB extensions around my room compared the high voltage mains extensions I would need for the light houses.

I don't know about you. but where I live for sure the electric wall sockets are more common then USB ones..

In my bat cave there is more USB ports than wall sockets and they are all that far a part, so for a rear camera/lighthouse I would need to extend usb/power at very similar lengths.

As above neither method is perfect and which is better/worse involves many factors so neither can be universally better/worse.
kevinw729
Honored Visionary
9 years ago
We are one year away from "transmitted power"!
jab
Rising Star
9 years ago

Percy1983 said:

Personally I would rather have low voltage USB extensions around my room compared the high voltage mains extensions I would need for the light houses.

I don't know about you. but where I live for sure the electric wall sockets are more common then USB ones..
kevinw729
Honored Visionary
9 years ago

JaimieVandenbergh said:

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Is this a complete non-story?

More a Discussion Topic, I think you will find! ;)
JaimieVandenber
Heroic Explorer
9 years ago
Stuff gets patented all the time and never makes it to market. We'd have flying cars, perpetual-motion free energy and transparent credit-card size phones by now if they did.

On top of which, as I've consistently said the PSVR tracking works ridiculously well for the bodged up low-res solution that they've put in place. Even Move space tracking is good - it's the angle tracking from the shitty old accelerometers that's not, and Tumble succesfully coaxes competence out of them even then.

I'm not seeing any groundswell of returns for tracking, only disappointment about resolution. Is this a complete non-story?
kevinw729
Honored Visionary
9 years ago
http://uploadvr.com/new-patent-suggests-sony-working-vive-like-tracking-psvr/

For those that wanted more info on the Sony Patent... oh and a big hi to whoever at UploadVR that monitored this discussion ;)
chtan
Protege
9 years ago
There are some talking about light house running on battery pack. Problem solved.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/42271m/lighthouses_running_from_battery_for_hours_and/
Percy1983
Superstar
9 years ago
Thats fair enough as an opinion, in my case it was easier to find another USB port than another mains socket, if I had the viv and had to mount the other sensor behind it would lead to extending power cables approx 15m.

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