I know the Razer Hydra is pretty much the "standard" motion controller being coupled with the Rift at the moment, but has anyone thought about using the Playstation Move controller with it?I haven't used a Hydra yet, but I have a PS3 and the Move and the accuracy and latency is pretty fantastic. Games like Sports Champion Table Tennis control almost exactly 1:1Check out the video at 5:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqKJE1G12aYAlso a huge plus is that it's wireless, and since it's using a camera to track motion you can get further away without losing signal unlike the Hydra.It seems people have successfully paired the controller with PC already too:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-fnNv8hTc0Does anyone here have both a Playstation Move and a Hydra? And what do you think of each as far as accuracy and latency? I also think the latency would be even further reduced using a Move on a PC considering they're more powerful than a PS3.

Yeah I mean you can use them with Windows, but at the same time it's not like anyone can just grab a Move, pair it to their PC in 2 minutes and they're good to go, like they might be able to with a bluetooth mouse. That kind of experience requires support from Sony.And the reason there's no way they'll ever do this is because while Sony is definitely a big VR supporter, they're not about to make a business move that improves the VR experience for PC users. The Move controllers are going to be great for VR, and Sony is well aware of this. It's going to be a big part of the draw for VR enthusiasts to spend $1000 on a PS4 and Morpheus, rather than a new PC and a Rift. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony wind up building upon the Move to create a new 3D input device that's even better suited for VR.But the chances of them shooting themselves in the foot and improving VR in the PC space by giving PC users access to their awesome motion controller? Zero.Not that I'd complain if they surprised me. :D

"mptp" wrote:it's not like anyone can just grab a Move, pair it to their PC in 2 minutes and they're good to go, like they might be able to with a bluetooth mouse. That kind of experience requires support from Sony.The problem is not Sony here but the awful Bluetooth stack produced by Microsoft. I've no problem pairing and using the PS Move on Linux and it's apparently the same for OS X.

"Fredz" wrote:"mptp" wrote:it's not like anyone can just grab a Move, pair it to their PC in 2 minutes and they're good to go, like they might be able to with a bluetooth mouse. That kind of experience requires support from Sony.The problem is not Sony here but the awful Bluetooth stack produced by Microsoft. I've no problem pairing and using the PS Move on Linux and it's apparently the same for OS X.+1 and it even gets worse when moving from win 7 to 8/8.1. Pairing in win 7 is trial and error but is somewhat "easy" . It is almost imposible to do so in win 8/8.1

You know, it's only now that you say that that I remember what it was like trying to pair my WiiMote to my old Windows laptop. That was quite a while ago now, however, I've been on Mac so long I forgot about my dire hatred for the Windows bluetooth stack. :IFor input devices I wish everything would just use OSC, and connect via wifi...

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chaosgrid
Explorer
12 years ago
I think PSMove uses a 60 fps camera, so that's already pretty good as regards latency.

I think one of the biggest issues is that you dont have a proper SDK for the PC and you need to use hacked solutions.
Also, the x and y positions are determined via screen-space while the z position is derived from the size of the light bulb as far as I know, so the accuracy might not be ideal.
geekmaster
Protege
12 years ago
"play2lose" wrote:
I know the Razer Hydra is pretty much the "standard" motion controller being coupled with the Rift at the moment, but has anyone thought about using the Playstation Move controller with it? ...

Project Holodeck uses a PS Move for body tracking, and a Razer Hydra for hand tracking (with a head-mounted base unit). Its HMD uses the same technology as the early Rift prototypes (for a reason you will see in the spoiler below).

:lol: Who's that green shirt dude in the background of this video at 2m47s?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJaSiX7SYJ0&t=2m47s

Spoiler:
Well before the Oculus Rift kickstarter, Palmer Luckey was a consultant with Project Holodeck!
Blueshock
Honored Guest
12 years ago
If you're looking at windows then you're in for a fun time trying to pair.

So far the best API seems to be Move Api (http://thp.io/2010/psmove/). However this requires you to use move controllers which are properly paired with windows, something I'm yet to do.

However, I've used move framework (https://code.google.com/p/moveframework/) which works with Motion In Joy drivers (nasty software, dubious and overrides your bluetooth dongle drivers, but works!) to then send the data to unity.

This has worked by using the c# wrapper and unity plugins, however its not reliable and has crashed a few times.

You'll need CL eye to use the PS move camera which allows it to be used as a webcam in windows (it's an awesome web cam for conference calls too).

Best of luck! I'm putting it on hold while I play with a kinect / wii hybrid. But that sharpshooter controller is just too damn tempting.
Frito
Explorer
12 years ago
"Blueshock" wrote:
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Best of luck! I'm putting it on hold while I play with a kinect / wii hybrid. But that sharpshooter controller is just too damn tempting.

Mine is colleting dust, I was about to chopit and put the hydras in there... but its too nice to break up :lol:
playhouse
Honored Guest
12 years ago
I have posted a few tech demos several months ago showing the Hydra like controls I have developed using the PlayStation Move and Navigation Controllers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hykjEBYzCnE

The PS Move controls allow for much more dynamic movements and for a much larger tracking area.

My studio has recently been working on a PS4/PC game that makes use of DualShock 4, DualPLAY and hydra control schemes. The PC version is being developed with Oculus support and I'm going post videos soon showing updated motion-controlled gameplay and Oculus controls.

Playhouse Entertainment
http://www.playhouseentertainment.com
sven
Protege
12 years ago
Which API do you use? How is the latency? What fps have you configured in the PS eye?
LathspeLL
Honored Guest
12 years ago
There is an obvious delay where Hydra excels.
playhouse
Honored Guest
12 years ago
In a couple hours we had the PS Move set up to accurately track a 3D body combined with the Oculus. The result is pretty amazing. Being able to walk around in a 3D virtual space while wearing the Oculus feels incredible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-rcU8cfdD4
Blueshock
Honored Guest
12 years ago
Nice work, did you use Linux, Mac or windows with this? Also which API did you use? I'm still struggling to get a psmove on windows but linux and mac were instant
playhouse
Honored Guest
12 years ago
Here's a video showing an early look at the precise head-tracking and two-hand motion control we're implementing into our PS4/PC game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y30oET4E_cM&feature=c4-overview&list=UULxjgovZIlw0btvREVCx2AA

PlayHouse Entertainment
www.playhouseentertainment.com
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