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1080 fallacy...

Solsland
Adventurer
Have to say, coming from a 970 to a 1080.... save your money.  The difference is s minimal, it really isn't worth the cost.  Real world, the upgrade is so minimalI would save our money.

If you are on a 980 or a 980ti forget about it for now, just not an appreciable difference..  Even playing Doom on Ultra settings at 4k... meh 


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NickytheHutt
Expert Protege
Everything is relative. "Not worth it" doesn't translate in everyone's vocabulary equally, and the OP overuses the term "minimal" without knowing what the word means, and it contains zero mathematical figures. 

OP isn't wrong, he's just speaking to himself.

Shadowmask72
Honored Visionary
The 1080 is well documented to get around 30% gains over the 980Ti  which isn't "minimal". I've done several benchmarks to see the improvement. I've also benchmarked at 4K to see a noticeable difference. I guess it boils down to the software as there's quite a disparity depending on what game you're playing. I don't think DOOM is the best example to be honest as the game looks great at 1080p due to how id make their textures. Take the Witcher 3 though, I could just about get a steady 27-30 fps all settings maxed @ 4K with the 980ti now I can have an average of 40-45 which is  a much smoother playing experience. Still not quite 60 fps but will do me fine. 

I also sold my GTX 980Ti to upgrade to the 1080 so the cost wasn't as bad. I think many people can at least get some returns on their old cards when upgrading.

One last thing. You're talking about improvements of graphics when upgrading. Well, developers are already taking advantage of that if you play games like The Division where everything maxed out is a hardware killer. You've also got to consider the visual improvements running games at 1440p or 2160p with everything maxed which makes a massive difference in how games can look. The 1080 simply handles those resolutions much better. So there is a visual upgrade compared to playing with a 970 at those resolutions which to be fair isn't going to be playable or you're having to dial back the settings to medium - low (see video)

https://youtu.be/BcgUvx6a7RQ


In my video I averaged 38 fps using The Division benchmark tool with the Ultra preset@ 4K (which isn't even the max settings for the game).  In the above video the 970 Turbo is hitting average 22 fps (not really playable) at medium/high settings. Imagine it chugging at Ultra settings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8jxWVuIKnc

Just ran a benchmark using my basic Founders Edition Overclock which gives a 7-10% gain over the stock settings and got an average FPS of 45.8 Ultra Preset 4K. So do the maths, that's double the FPS of the 970 and with extra effects. If I dial back the settings to be an exact match with the video. I get average 56.5 fps.








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Lemming1970
Rising Star
What is the rest of your system?

Could it be your CPU is holding the card back.

I have a GTX980Ti, which I thought was great using it with an old Xeon x5670, But the performance improvement when I upgraded to an i7 6700 was massive. Maybe your running into the same issue?
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Electryic
Protege
OP grab a 4K display and you'll be very very very happy w/ your 1080.     You can get a 4K on sale at Newegg right now for $300... when i got mine it was $500 on sale.  
 
There is no reason to upgrade from a 970 if you are using a 1080p monitor.

RedToasty
Protege
Big difference here, over the moon with my 1080, it should last for a good while too 🙂

It was VR that pushed me to upgrade, my 970 used to struggle with anything other than low settings really, this has allowed me to ramp things up quite a bit. Moving from a standard 1080p monitor to VR means you're pushing a crazy amount more pixels.

1920 * 1080 * 60 = 124.4 million pixels per second playing on my monitor
2160 * 1200 * 90 = 233.3 million pixels per second playing in VR

Not only the extra pixel cost, it's obviously having to throw geometry at the GPU 50% faster than it used to. I'll be intruiged to see if the Simultaneous Multi-Projection makes any difference when applications start using it.

RTZR
Protege
Coming from an overclocked MSI GTX 970 Gaming 4G I jumped to a MSI GTX 1070 Gaming 8G (which I have overclocked,too). To be honest this upgrade really made my day. Especially demanding games like PCars look so much better now...    

EliteSPA
Superstar
LOL nice one troll  😛

Got 2 in SLI and I can tell you that you are totally wrong man, my last card was a 980 Ti.

Only worth if you play in 2k or 4k games.
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nalex66
MVP
MVP
"None of the games I play (and I have bought plenty) are any better visually."

"AlI I am saying, is that in my opinion (which I believe I am entitled
to) is that the VISIBLE difference, between a 970 and a 1080 is
negligible."

Um, just to be clear, you have tried adjusting your graphics settings, right? From these quotes, it kind of sounds like you just fired up your games without any changes after swapping cards, and said "This looks exactly the same!"

The games typically won't auto-adjust the graphics settings after changing your video card (although some do). Many VR games have setting you can change through the in-game menus, and for those that don't, you can use the debug tool to super-sample the image. There IS an obvious visible difference cranking Chronos up the 'Epic' settings, or running Project CARS at 1.5 pixel density.

For non-VR games, you should be able to move up from Medium or High settings to Ultra, or run your games at higher resolution, or higher frame rate. All of the above should give you a noticeably better game experience.

Personally, I just upgraded to a 1440p monitor along with my upgrade from a 980 to a GTX 1080, and in most cases I've been able to increase my graphics settings (if they weren't already maxed out) along with running at the higher res and a higher frame rate. I'm very happy with the performance.

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LZoltowski
Champion
@nalex66  yup I agree. A good way to do it is to use GForce Experience and re optimise the games
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