Coder Decides He Wants Out Of VR

[ThreeEyes]

This is kind of interesting. A person in the biz decides he wants out. Not sure how indicative this is or how much weight to put in it, but it's a perspective and something to think about...

https://gist.github.com/rygorous/251b945aef2046ac7cee

So imagine a shared universe MMORPG, expressly operated by a company that
*already knows all your friends*, that's trying to maximize your engagement
("hey, all your friends are playing right now, don't you want to join too?"),
selling your attention to advertisers, and by the way, also building a detailed
profile on everything you do so they can do all of this even better in the future.
It's okay, go on doing whatever you want, we just want to watch! (Through your
own eyeballs if possible.) And mind, this has nothing to do with Facebook
specifically; given the current set of business practices in the tech industry,
this is pretty much what you end up with no matter which big player ends up
owning the thing. (Google is trying to tie you to their services too. As are MS
and Apple.)

[cubytes]

"BeastMan" wrote:

"cubytes" wrote:
of course the most lucrative of all the real life venues that could be re purposed as a MAL....

is a VR Mall



Imagine a VR Mall as a MAL 🙂

Which is to say instead of displaying and selling retail goods (real/virtual) it displays and promotes various interfaces to jack into 'worlds within worlds' (a la VR experiences and VR specific media)

I agree, that VR has some scary aspects. Disconnecting with the real world could really be an issue with advanced VR. And then it won´t resort to some wierdos like the poeple addicted to WOW nowadays.

Even VR Applications that seem harmless could be an issue in my oppinion. Lets take your example of a virtual mall. I can clearly imagine now how in 20 years there are some 40 year old chubby and sad housewifes "walking around" in a perfectly realistic 3D model of their former selfs when they were 19 years old.... just trying the latest fashion.... while crying in their rift or whatever device they will be using.

valid concerns. as with anything moderation is the key. same can be said for any medium.

i suppose perhaps 5 maybe 10 years down the road when the tech is just absolutely mind blowing...

there will be individuals who struggle with cognitive dissonance between real life and a virtual one conveyed through flashing colored lights and digital sound.

but im not a big fan of such extreme duality I see no reason why not to embrace both.

it will be interesting to see how individuals balance their lives between the two, not to mention how broad an impact the tech will have on our society in general.

im quite sure humanity is more then capable of finding a harmony between real life and virtual reality. we are highly adaptable clever intelligent and curious creatures after all.

some food for thought...

[MoeCapp]

Everything so far about new VR hardware, not just HMD's, seems to me to make the technology experience more and more social by enabling more levels of communication. Being in a shared digital environment with other people is far more social than reading a book or watching a movie on your iphone.

Based on how technology has worked so far historically, I am fully confident that that guy's worst fears of corporate advertisers will come true... in certain software settings. But there will be plenty of other options that folks out there are already adapting or working on.

Renouncing VR would be like refusing to use a mouse and keyboard as tools of the devil and sticking to entering code via punch cards. It's coming whether we like it or not. The question is what are you going to do about it? Yes, there will be negative aspects and consequences of mass VR adoption, unforseen crises and challenges as with any technology, but the good will outweigh the bad (I hope!).

[kernow]

"Snappahead" wrote:
Reading a book is anti social too...just saying.

That reminded me of Susan Cain, her book, and this TED Talk video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0KYU2j0TM4

[cleverusername]

still a never ending flood of distractions from reality is what VR will bring to society (as if we dont already have enough distractions). its like witnessing the down fall of humanity, completely disconnecting us from reality. but we are already disconnected and out of harmony with nature so that point is null...

Not null.

its like creating nuclear technology then getting cold feet about how it could be used for nefarious purposes. with such a pessimistic view im surprised we made it through the cold wars without completely destroying ourselves. but i havent lost faith in humanity and with that in mind im sure we can get through VR without completely destroying ourselves

We will emerge on the other side of VR changed. No doubt. We will have ascended as a collective society. Humanity of old will be gone. Like that movie "her". Why have a real girlfriend when a virtual surrogate will do? I have been watching a scanner darkly with Winona Ryder on constant repeat to get a good taste on one possible future. One day in VR world Winona will be my girlfriend. The cool reality bites version, not the shoplifting one. The jerry lewis Winona will do too! Jonny depp did say she made him a wino forever! Lol!

if you believe in such things like a collective consciousness then if you think about it this world has been observed from every imaginable perspective across thousands of years (every single living breathing creature uploading information to a collective consciousness). its like the collective consciousness got bored with reality and has dropped intelligence (language) down to our dimension in effort to observe something new. ergo virtual reality is like TV for the collective consciousn..

I just watched some videos about this Abraham entity. Ramptha lives near me in yelm. You will be assimilated¡ lol. Remember Alan watts and his surprise button

[RirtualVeality]

"cleverusername" wrote:

still a never ending flood of distractions from reality is what VR will bring to society (as if we dont already have enough distractions). its like witnessing the down fall of humanity, completely disconnecting us from reality. but we are already disconnected and out of harmony with nature so that point is null...

Not null.

its like creating nuclear technology then getting cold feet about how it could be used for nefarious purposes. with such a pessimistic view im surprised we made it through the cold wars without completely destroying ourselves. but i havent lost faith in humanity and with that in mind im sure we can get through VR without completely destroying ourselves

We will emerge on the other side of VR changed. No doubt. We will have ascended as a collective society. Humanity of old will be gone. Like that movie "her". Why have a real girlfriend when a virtual surrogate will do? I have been watching a scanner darkly with Winona Ryder on constant repeat to get a good taste on one possible future. One day in VR world Winona will be my girlfriend. The cool reality bites version, not the shoplifting one. The jerry lewis Winona will do too! Jonny depp did say she made him a wino forever! Lol!

if you believe in such things like a collective consciousness then if you think about it this world has been observed from every imaginable perspective across thousands of years (every single living breathing creature uploading information to a collective consciousness). its like the collective consciousness got bored with reality and has dropped intelligence (language) down to our dimension in effort to observe something new. ergo virtual reality is like TV for the collective consciousn..

I just watched some videos about this Abraham entity. Ramptha lives near me in yelm. You will be assimilated¡ lol. Remember Alan watts and his surprise button

No. No we won't.

[cleverusername]

"cubytes" wrote:

"Wolf7115" wrote:
Facebook is going to keep gathering more information on us so we can eventually get to full-dive VR MMOs? Hell, I'll sell my soul to Satan right now for full dive. Where do I sign?

thats like a brain in a vat. the system would be able to constantly read your mind. one would be able to manufacture and delete memories. probably be able to over-write one mind into another body unlocking immortality!

The Jim carrey movie dumb and dumberer was one of the greatest cultural art of our generation but his eternal sunshine of the spotless mind was not far behind.

http://2045.com/news/33063.html
US military researchers announced Wednesday they have awarded $40 million toward developing a new kind of brain implant that may help restore memories in wounded soldiers and civilians.

The work represents a major scientific leap forward, but experts said many hurdles remain before it can be shown to work in people, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) said.

The hope is that some day, a wireless, implantable device will bridge gaps in the injured brain and make it easier to remember basic events, places, and context—known as declarative memories.

U did watch the panels at the nuerogaming event yes where there were experts warning about controlling our emotions to manipulate us? What does braveheart William Wallace have to say about that? (Where rick Johnson of castar forbid my Padawan palmer from using castar. Oh that is going to be a funny moment in the movie. Will sasso could play rick and Anne heche Jeri Elsworth). Don't feel bad palmer. Geekmaster and myself got told to leave by Zack (conference host) so we empathize w your rejection at the same event
http://www.international-immersion-industries.com/2014/05/14/neurogaming-conference/

As to metaverses. U guys need to follow David smith of Lockheed martin and his virtual world framework that I mentioned eons ago.
viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4072&p=57002&hilit=virtual+world+framework#p57002
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_world_framework

My ai prof and the federal consortium of virtual worlds are talking opensim. Avaya and even using Gary's mod. https://www.facebook.com/James.P.OReilly?fref=nf

This guy and his nwn peeps have lotsa good stuff on virtual world futures and keeping us all free as much as possible and open source as we all slip into the future! (Hilarious that we connected on Facebook? Oh the irony)

[cleverusername]

Cubytes on your immortality concept. There was a denzel Washington movie about this demon jumping from body to body living forever. Maybe vampire myths are what u meme. Perhaps a mass collective is coming to overwrite us all? Stargate hosts? Just watched Sutherland in invasion of the body snatchers and the worlds end movie with pierce brosnan.

http://depts.washington.edu/uwconf/neurofutures/

Attended this conference on neurofutures. New gen of brain implants. At some point in the future its really gonna be like the matrix. We all will be connected to some ai controlling us all, perhaps we already are just like the movie? What is real neo?

[AnotherAtreyu]

"Jose" wrote:
That's a very interesting perspective, since that guy claims to have worked on the Valve VR things as early as 2012.

He's not against VR entirely, only the MMORPG/meta-verse aspect of it.

He made an interesting point about presence and how the term is being overused and that its meaning is getting diminished. Also interesting that he says that presence is something that the user opts in to. I agree with that, you have to will yourself into a state of presence, it doesn't happen automatically.

Thanks for sharing that link.

I disagree. I have felt genuine presence a number of times in the Rift, all of which were completely spontaneous and unexpected.
Generally it would happen when you'd least expect it; like I would be walking up a hill and I would just happen to turn my eyes to see the side of a rock and BAM I'm in there.
Unfortunately the spell would usually be broken as I continued my journey but for a brief moment I was in the game completely and totally; as far as my brain was concerned anyhow.

[Jose]

"HappyHimitsu" wrote:
I disagree. I have felt genuine presence a number of times in the Rift, all of which were completely spontaneous and unexpected.

Right, I shouldn't have made a generalization like that. Most likely both exist, as some people are by default resistant to presence, and others are more open minded and can allow presence to emerge.

I've had my spontaneous moments of presence before, but it was last year when all this stuff was very new.

"V8Griff" wrote:
What's happened to Geekmaster? I would have thought he'd be all over this.... 🙂

I remember geekmaster mentioning that he was going to a lot of these VR meetups and meeting people offline. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he is now really busy working on projects that he can't talk about.