How do I use Oculus if I don't consent to their gathering of my information?

[Cyclopse]

I'm just curious if this is possible, hard to find information about the topic for countries other than the U.S.

Canadian law requires organizations to:

"supply an individual with a product or a service even if they refuse consent for the collection, use or disclosure of your personal information unless that information is essential to the transaction"

- it also says that they must:

"obtain consent when they collect, use or disclose their personal information"

-Oculus has to tell consumers:

 "who in the organization is responsible for protecting their personal information;"

-They also have to allow consumers to:

"obtain access to their personal information and ask for corrections if necessary"

-Consenting to giving your data for improving future Oculus head sets does not also equal consent to sell the information:

"expect an organization to collect, use or disclose their personal information reasonably and appropriately, and not use the information for any purpose other than that to which they have consented"

The collection of physical information about your body may also fall under the Health information act which has MUCH! stronger regulations.

I'm not any kind of legal expert so just trying to get my head around all this...

[vrmower]

CharlieHobbes said:

Well, I'm no lawyer, nor am I interested in becoming one. 
Oculus is a US based company, unless US law forbids this (which I assume it doesn't since Facebook still exists) you can't MAKE them do anything, other than perhaps stop selling the Oculus in Canada.

They most certainly have some kind of Canadian presence to sell in Canada.

[vrmower]

Felixm477 said:

sounds to me like all this law means is that oculus can't force you to give up your personal info outside of information they request to fulfill their purposes, and guess what their purposes are?

When go to the store and buy a monitor there is no "legitimate purpose" in having information from your computer  you don't want to share exfiltrated as a condition of the sale.

Rift is no different.  Rift is just a display.  Oculus operates a storefront service requiring connectivity and some data sharing to enable certain features to operate.  This is fine.  Rift is also advertised as an open platform where third party software can be used outside of the Oculus ecosystem.  Under this circumstance there is no "legitimate purpose" in a display requiring data collection.  It clearly is not required for the product to operate.

[crim3]

I bet Mr. Reisse wouldn't have allowed this. How is it possible that there is no option to just install the driver? How can a physical device be considered a "service"?
I hope I'm not hurting anyone's feelings, but the little we come to know about this great person makes me think that way.

[Hanover]

vrmower said:

Felixm477 said:

sounds to me like all this law means is that oculus can't force you to give up your personal info outside of information they request to fulfill their purposes, and guess what their purposes are?

When go to the store and buy a monitor there is no "legitimate purpose" in having information from your computer  you don't want to share exfiltrated as a condition of the sale.

Rift is no different.  Rift is just a display.  Oculus operates a storefront service requiring connectivity and some data sharing to enable certain features to operate.  This is fine.  Rift is also advertised as an open platform where third party software can be used outside of the Oculus ecosystem.  Under this circumstance there is no "legitimate purpose" in a display requiring data collection.  It clearly is not required for the product to operate.

I think the reason they want Home installed is because they want to make you click that "agreement to the risks" button when you start your HMD up.  VR is not just a display.  It can get physical and potentially cause harm.  I think they are just being ultra-paranoid now so that they can't get sued if someone trips over their dog and breaks their leg.  Perhaps later there will be some sort of legalese that makes that a binding agreement so that Home is not required.  Right now, they are doing the same thing that happens when you put on an exercise vid.  You see the disclaimer that you accept the risks each and every time.

[vrmower]

Hanover said:

I think the reason they want Home installed is because they want to make you click that "agreement to the risks" button when you start your HMD up.  VR is not just a display.  It can get physical and potentially cause harm.  I think they are just being ultra-paranoid now so that they can't get sued if someone trips over their dog and breaks their leg.  Perhaps later there will be some sort of legalese that makes that a binding agreement so that Home is not required.  Right now, they are doing the same thing that happens when you put on an exercise vid.  You see the disclaimer that you accept the risks each and every time.

Health and safety warnings are not new to CV1.  They existed in DK2 HMD without home and were presented even though runtime was downloadable and installable offline.

[Grim_Reaper]

There must be a hack that can figure this out. I would like to opt out of the info sharing.

[greeneblitz]

I swear some people just love listen to themselves whine and complain about nonsense, if you don't like it don't buy it, its a video game, you'll get over it if this stuff is that important to you, if not then stop being one of the many VR drama queens.

[Felixm477]

vrmower said:

Felixm477 said:

sounds to me like all this law means is that oculus can't force you to give up your personal info outside of information they request to fulfill their purposes, and guess what their purposes are?

When go to the store and buy a monitor there is no "legitimate purpose" in having information from your computer  you don't want to share exfiltrated as a condition of the sale.

Rift is no different.  Rift is just a display.  Oculus operates a storefront service requiring connectivity and some data sharing to enable certain features to operate.  This is fine.  Rift is also advertised as an open platform where third party software can be used outside of the Oculus ecosystem.  Under this circumstance there is no "legitimate purpose" in a display requiring data collection.  It clearly is not required for the product to operate.

this is not a monitor, it is a device attached to a service, just like the vive has steam. The rift works with anything outside OH. but Oculus is doing us a favor selling at cost to recoup the money via their storefront. Oculus needs the money and support hence the required install and collection of information to make sure they get the games the consumer wants.

[Zenbane]

If we rephrase the thread appropriately the answer is incredibly self-evident:
"How do I use the Oculus Rift if I do not consent to the Terms of Use for the Oculus Rift?"

Other interesting questions:

1) How do I legally drive a car if I don't agree with the law nor the car?
2) How can I hire an attorney if I do not agree with his/her attorney fees?
3) How can I get a company to pay me a workers salary if I'm not an actual worker?

[vrmower]

Zenbane said:

If we rephrase the thread appropriately the answer is incredibly self-evident:
"How do I use the Oculus Rift if I do not consent to the Terms of Use for the Oculus Rift?"

Other interesting questions:

1) How do I legally drive a car if I don't agree with the law nor the car?
2) How can I hire an attorney if I do not agree with his/her attorney fees?
3) How can I get a company to pay me a workers salary if I'm not an actual worker?

The thread is about compliance with Canadian law.