If VR gets too real..

[AntDX3162]

https://www.facebook.com/david.markarianii/videos/233142063472273/

I mean, some people could be stupid enough to want to live in VR forever or be tricked into thinking something was meant for them but it was not.  It could lead to problems like the angry frog at the end when they find out the real truth about it all being fake.

[FX2K]

Elron Musk kinda reminds me of:



Now.. what was this thread all about, oh yeah... Magic, its all magic.

[cybernettr]

tranceology3 said:

So can we define exactly what the difference is between a base reality vs a virtual reality? Is it because there are universal laws in the base reality and no such laws in a virtual reality; basically it can be controlled?

 Real reality has a little more depth. For example, you can take a microscope and examine anything down to the atomic level and you continue to see more detail.  VR is not quite there yet!

[AntDX3162]

Shadowmask72 said:

Gaming puts us into many different mindsets whether that's a murderous scum bag, unemotional killer, admirable white knight, or leering perv. It's all fantasy escapism unless you like playing digital chess. For me I want VR to be as real as possible so I can continue to live out the fantasies I know will never be possible in the real world or that I'd even want them to be.

Think about the most controversial gaming acts that have hit mainstream media like the hiring of prostitutes in GTA, doing the business and then murdering them for your money back. 99.999999% of people would never do that in reality but would feel no shame in doing so in a game.

That's exactly why I play the PC.  The things I cannot do in real-life I can do on the PC but it actually evolved into improving real-life because real-life is just so much better.  If you can do it in real-life why do it on the PC.

[AntDX3162]

Solsland said:

Elron Musk made a pretty good argument that we are already living in a simulation.  The premise being that given enough time and progress with VR it will become indistinguishable from real life.  He then surmised that the odds were stacked against our being in base reality.  Really good watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tE_ysBKIK0

Talking about the part where he talked about trying to mess w/ the neurons in the brain through veins, modifications are dangerous.  Look at the cancer system.  There's also malfunctions that could go array because something was not seen and modified to accommodate the other modifications.

And as for being 10 years out for full autonomy is insane.  Some people just don't know what it's like to have something fail.  You have to be part pilot to know when it's time to take control.  When stuff becomes mass produced like the DJI drones there will be error.  It's not made in full all out global mass so QA is really good to prevent massive out-of-control damage.

Plus, the $12.3B networth CEO does not know certain things about the afterlife and how a super alien system called God has oversight of everything.  Look up DMT Pineal Gland and NDEs on the internet.

[AntDX3162]

cybernettr said:

Do frogs have teeth???

https://www.facebook.com/david.markarianii/videos/233142063472273/

[Map63Vette]

tranceology3 said:

So can we define exactly what the difference is between a base reality vs a virtual reality? Is it because there are universal laws in the base reality and no such laws in a virtual reality; basically it can be controlled?

Theoretically the virtual reality could be programmed with universal laws as well.  They are only considered universal because they seem to govern everything we observe.  If gravity was half of what it is today or was linearly dependent on distance between objects it would still be observed as a universal law in our "reality".

[Category5x]

AntDX3162 said:

Solsland said:

Elron Musk made a pretty good argument that we are already living in a simulation.  The premise being that given enough time and progress with VR it will become indistinguishable from real life.  He then surmised that the odds were stacked against our being in base reality.  Really good watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tE_ysBKIK0

Talking about the part where he talked about trying to mess w/ the neurons in the brain through veins, modifications are dangerous.  Look at the cancer system.  There's also malfunctions that could go array because something was not seen and modified to accommodate the other modifications.

And as for being 10 years out for full autonomy is insane.  Some people just don't know what it's like to have something fail.  You have to be part pilot to know when it's time to take control.  When stuff becomes mass produced like the DJI drones there will be error.  It's not made in full all out global mass so QA is really good to prevent massive out-of-control damage.

Plus, the $12.3B networth CEO does not know certain things about the afterlife and how a super alien system called God has oversight of everything.  Look up DMT Pineal Gland and NDEs on the internet.

You are basing that all off of the observable world.  Even if this is "base reality", there would have to be a sub-structure outside of it, observable or not.  You can't assume anything with 100% validity without realization outside the observable scale.  Everything we assume and/or know is based on what we consider to be reality.  If you enter a virtual reality world, and eventually lose touch with the real world outside of it, all future assumptions will then be based on "that" reality, and can therefore only be correct inside the simulation.

These are philisophical ideas, not science fiction.  The fact that they are based on science and not just conjecture merely means there is a reasonable basis for them.

Musk isn't the best speaker, but it's clear he has one hell of a thinking cap.

[AntDX3162]

sbushman18 said:

AntDX3162 said:

Solsland said:

Elron Musk made a pretty good argument that we are already living in a simulation.  The premise being that given enough time and progress with VR it will become indistinguishable from real life.  He then surmised that the odds were stacked against our being in base reality.  Really good watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tE_ysBKIK0

Talking about the part where he talked about trying to mess w/ the neurons in the brain through veins, modifications are dangerous.  Look at the cancer system.  There's also malfunctions that could go array because something was not seen and modified to accommodate the other modifications.

And as for being 10 years out for full autonomy is insane.  Some people just don't know what it's like to have something fail.  You have to be part pilot to know when it's time to take control.  When stuff becomes mass produced like the DJI drones there will be error.  It's not made in full all out global mass so QA is really good to prevent massive out-of-control damage.

Plus, the $12.3B networth CEO does not know certain things about the afterlife and how a super alien system called God has oversight of everything.  Look up DMT Pineal Gland and NDEs on the internet.

You are basing that all off of the observable world.  Even if this is "base reality", there would have to be a sub-structure outside of it, observable or not.  You can't assume anything with 100% validity without realization outside the observable scale.  Everything we assume and/or know is based on what we consider to be reality.  If you enter a virtual reality world, and eventually lose touch with the real world outside of it, all future assumptions will then be based on "that" reality, and can therefore only be correct inside the simulation.

These are philisophical ideas, not science fiction.  The fact that they are based on science and not just conjecture merely means there is a reasonable basis for them.

Musk isn't the best speaker, but it's clear he has one hell of a thinking cap.

About the VR world and eventually losing touch w/ the real-world outside of it, not to me.  I would understand the mechanics and always relate back to real-life.  If what you mean is how people lose themself in a good book forgetting where they are then that is pretty dangerous.  I never lose touch w/ the references of what is most important.  If people do.. if they take any anti-psychotics I would have to say schizophrenia, negative schizophrenia, can ensue quickly.  It's probably the effect people have when they are under the drug effects.  Research way back said it's like being on cocaine.  Some games we play would be like no big deal but to someone it would be their whole reality and they don't want to get out, end up lost in it when have to come out but have major developing schizophrenia effecting every routine they had in the past then questioning it and probably questioning it wrong.  Developing that leads to irrational and erroneous thinking which leads to a never ending loop time of Hell.  There were some videos I found of people who did crazy things and ended up dying to police but it was all the result of irrational and erroneous thinking.  What people didn't do, besides just say anti-psychotics, is to realize the development of the mental illness.  I would say when people detach from reality long enough.. it's a breeding ground for the invisible but real evil energy called Satan.  It can rehabilitate people though which is the truth.  It's not always negative but it's just when the negative thoughts start getting manifested and exercises uncontrolled is when the real problems just starts to begin.  Fortunately, some people know when to pull the plug and do something else but unfortunately some don't and those people are who I am scared for.