12-29-2023 06:55 AM
Hi Everyone!
I am an avid Apple user and patiently waiting for the 2nd or 3rd generation Vision Pro which will be more affordable. I realize that may take at least two years to happen.
In the meantime, I am eyeing the Quest 3. I don't necessarily need it for gaming. I want to create a virtual office, connect it to my Mac, and ditch my widescreen monitor for 3 large virtual ones using IMMERSE or HORIZON WORKROOMS.
I have a few questions that will hopefully help me decide if Quest 3 suits me...
1. How is the virtual screen resolution when connecting a Macbook Air or Pro to Quest and creating a virtual office? Can one work in that kind of environment? Do all apps that work on the Mac open and work on the virtual monitors?
2. There is a great post above this one with many accessory recommendations, though it's for Amazon UK. As far as headsets go, is the Bobo M3 the one that is still most recommended?
3. Since the Bobo M3 has battery issues (from what I read), if I get just the standard head strap can you recommend a portable battery and cable that would work well when I am moving around?
4. Can I view movies directly off my Mac?
It's a tough choice to purchase this knowing I will mostly limit it to productive use (though I will try the games). Just want to be sure the technology is good enough that I can use it for a virtual office.
Thanks for the help.
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01-01-2024 09:43 AM
Also a Mac user and also not that interested in games. I originally opted for the larger 256GB Quest 2 when the Q3 was announced because of the price drop. I have since upgraded to the Quest 3 128GB version. That would be my first recommendation, get the smaller one, it is more than enough for productivity plus the many games you will end up buying "just to try" as non-gaming content is a little light.
In answer to your questions:
1. Depends on the type of work you do, the way you use the keyboard and mouse is a little odd, and does glitch. It is very clever the way it creates this portal to your real hands, but there is a clear "disconnect" between you and the keyboard and mouse. The resolution is (in my opinion) good enough to work with, I use VS Code and can easily use it the same as I would on a real screen. It is not the same as using a real screen, but the clarity is there and you adapt very quickly to it. Add Virtual Desktop to your list of things to try as well.
All Mac apps work on the virtual screens, they are just seen as displays by your mac and are treated the same.
Whilst you can work in VR, would you want to? The headset is heavy, whilst pretty light based on what is available, compared to nothing on your face it is very heavy. Presses on my nose, it is a bit noisy, focus issues if it shifts down your face a bit, its hot, and it is hard work on your eyes.
I did 3D print out a open style faceplate that makes the Q3 more like the Q Pro, google "MultiverseRoamer" for his reddit post. Found this to be better as you always had a way to look at your keyboard, but the lack of support on the cheeks put all the weight on my nose.
2. I would stick with the supplied headstrap, you won't have power issues if you are at your desk so no need for the battery. And I purchased the Bobo headstrap for my Quest 2 because everyone was raving about how great it was and is sooooo much more comfortable than the stock strap. I hate it, it is massive, bulky, adds more weight, and you feel more stupid wearing it. The Q3 has a subtle (ish) design, clean and simple. The Bobo (or any 3rd party headstrap) intentionally make it look as "Virtual Reality as seen in movies" as possible. Plus you can't lay down wearing it. Horrible thing.
3. Don't worry about power unless playing games, you can just have a wire attached as you sit at your desk.
4. Yes, you can stream video files from the Mac with a upnp app like Kodi running on it, or a specific to the headset player "streamer" installed from Skybox or Moon Player. You give it a folder to make available on the Mac and provided the Mac is on and on the same network the headset player will see the files. You can also browse files via SMB Sharing. Plus you can use a USB card reader plugged into the headset to store videos, though it is not as simple as it sounds and not really worth the effort compared to just watching streamed from your Mac.
In conclusion... I would definitely recommend you get one and try these things out for yourself. Both Amazon and Meta have decent return policies. It really is the only way you will be able to decide if it is for you.
Me? I'm keeping mine.
I don't think it is going to replace a real desk with multiple screens anytime soon. it just doesn't make sense to have to rely on a infrared camera depth mapping your hands into virtual hands that type on a tracked version of your specific keyboard and all the potential glitches that comes with it. when you can just look at your real hands and real keyboard with zero glitches 🙂
But you can so other things with it as well, being able to walk around Sketchup models you have created is pretty cool. Beat Sabre and Synthrider are also lots of fun and you can just jump on on your own for a few minutes and get out again, not sure I could handle the 60 to 130 hours of playtime required for Asgard Wrath or anything with a story (I'm really not a gamer). I'm certainly looking forward to what people start to do with mixed reality.
Go for it.
01-01-2024 09:43 AM
Also a Mac user and also not that interested in games. I originally opted for the larger 256GB Quest 2 when the Q3 was announced because of the price drop. I have since upgraded to the Quest 3 128GB version. That would be my first recommendation, get the smaller one, it is more than enough for productivity plus the many games you will end up buying "just to try" as non-gaming content is a little light.
In answer to your questions:
1. Depends on the type of work you do, the way you use the keyboard and mouse is a little odd, and does glitch. It is very clever the way it creates this portal to your real hands, but there is a clear "disconnect" between you and the keyboard and mouse. The resolution is (in my opinion) good enough to work with, I use VS Code and can easily use it the same as I would on a real screen. It is not the same as using a real screen, but the clarity is there and you adapt very quickly to it. Add Virtual Desktop to your list of things to try as well.
All Mac apps work on the virtual screens, they are just seen as displays by your mac and are treated the same.
Whilst you can work in VR, would you want to? The headset is heavy, whilst pretty light based on what is available, compared to nothing on your face it is very heavy. Presses on my nose, it is a bit noisy, focus issues if it shifts down your face a bit, its hot, and it is hard work on your eyes.
I did 3D print out a open style faceplate that makes the Q3 more like the Q Pro, google "MultiverseRoamer" for his reddit post. Found this to be better as you always had a way to look at your keyboard, but the lack of support on the cheeks put all the weight on my nose.
2. I would stick with the supplied headstrap, you won't have power issues if you are at your desk so no need for the battery. And I purchased the Bobo headstrap for my Quest 2 because everyone was raving about how great it was and is sooooo much more comfortable than the stock strap. I hate it, it is massive, bulky, adds more weight, and you feel more stupid wearing it. The Q3 has a subtle (ish) design, clean and simple. The Bobo (or any 3rd party headstrap) intentionally make it look as "Virtual Reality as seen in movies" as possible. Plus you can't lay down wearing it. Horrible thing.
3. Don't worry about power unless playing games, you can just have a wire attached as you sit at your desk.
4. Yes, you can stream video files from the Mac with a upnp app like Kodi running on it, or a specific to the headset player "streamer" installed from Skybox or Moon Player. You give it a folder to make available on the Mac and provided the Mac is on and on the same network the headset player will see the files. You can also browse files via SMB Sharing. Plus you can use a USB card reader plugged into the headset to store videos, though it is not as simple as it sounds and not really worth the effort compared to just watching streamed from your Mac.
In conclusion... I would definitely recommend you get one and try these things out for yourself. Both Amazon and Meta have decent return policies. It really is the only way you will be able to decide if it is for you.
Me? I'm keeping mine.
I don't think it is going to replace a real desk with multiple screens anytime soon. it just doesn't make sense to have to rely on a infrared camera depth mapping your hands into virtual hands that type on a tracked version of your specific keyboard and all the potential glitches that comes with it. when you can just look at your real hands and real keyboard with zero glitches 🙂
But you can so other things with it as well, being able to walk around Sketchup models you have created is pretty cool. Beat Sabre and Synthrider are also lots of fun and you can just jump on on your own for a few minutes and get out again, not sure I could handle the 60 to 130 hours of playtime required for Asgard Wrath or anything with a story (I'm really not a gamer). I'm certainly looking forward to what people start to do with mixed reality.
Go for it.
01-01-2024 10:24 AM
Digisam,
That is the best reply I could have ever hoped for. Thank you, thank you for taking the time to write such a detailed response.
I have already tried my nephew's Quest 3 so I have an idea of how great games look. I was completely blown away by the quality of VR compared to my Playstation VR of years ago. So much so, if I just got this for games, I would be happy.
However, using this for productivity is a curiosity and I am kind of thinking it's going to be really cool at first, but after a while, I am going to become either bored by it or bothered by the weight of the VR device.
I did buy the Bobo M3. I could cancel it as it's on backorder, but I need to do something about getting the weight of the VR device off my face. It's the best-rated headset out there for the price and unless you have a specific headstrap in mind (would appreciate any recommendation), I'll stick with the Bobo.
I bought a battery bank and connecting cable for long gaming sessions, in addition to the Bobo with battery.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08K7GHZ3V/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PLYZ7J3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1
Already bought a few games before the Quest 3 even arrived, which is due tomorrow.
I am familiar with Kodi and will look into your suggestion for video playback.
Thank you so very much for your help with this. Very curious to see how the Mac screens look in VR.
01-01-2024 12:26 PM
Digisam,
You mentioned VIRTUAL DESKTOP. Why would I need that if I have Horizon Workroom and Immersed?
What would that app do for me? Thank You
01-01-2024 03:14 PM
Certainly give the Bobo a try, it seems you like gaming more than me so perhaps it will work better for you. I agree, that it does seem to be the one everybody recommends. I got the headstrap with the battery, plus the fan (which needs to be charged). It felt like the original GameBoy (showing my age) and how "accessories" took over and defeated the whole concept.
This iconic pocket game console
became....
01-01-2024 03:23 PM
Good question, I guess if you are trying the others then you should give it a try as it might work better for you than Workroom or Immersed. Some claim it performs better, some claim it has a crisper image. It was one of the first Virtual Screen things and is very popular. Definitely don't dismiss it without looking into it.