Firstly if you are having issues with reading comprehension than may i suggets you head back to school and learn what a "comma" is and what it is used for, secondly English is not everyones first language, so i find your unwarrented public jib about my post to be quite rude, offensive and off topic, so in future if you have any issues with my postings grammatical structure then please contact me via PM to discuss them, thank you.
Now back onto topic,
......you are not FB, so your general statement about what FB did is pure speculation, and the lack of any kind of parental controls on the QII is proof that FB did not foresee the utter mess that would be the influx of underage children taking over the QII platform, but let us go down your path and say FB did foresee it all, then that makes FB look ever worse because they launched without, and still do not have don't have any parental controls, and there has already been reports and instances of child abuse, harassment and racisum in the VRChat app which is on the Quest II store for free via the Quest II HMDs, and that is in just one app of many, so either FB were caught off guard by the fact underage children would be swarming their Quest II platform, or as you stated, they did foresee it all, which would mean that they cared not on iota about childrens saftey on their platform, so while you as a adult are safe from second hand smoking at work, on public transport or in bars and resuturants via government guildlines and laws, maybe have a little bit more of a concern for the safety and wellbeing of children other than "FB knows". 🙄
I've said that this topic is too important to be used as a tool in the usual pro/anti Facebook argument, by the usual pro/anti Facebook protagonists on the forum. I'd usually recommend more lieway but not with this subject.
Likewise, if anyone has decided that this subject is appropriate to be used for extending or in some way escalation ongoing historical disagreements between forum members, think again, this subject is not suitable for that purpose.
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Firstly if you are having issues with reading comprehension than may i suggets you head back to school and learn what a "comma" is and what it is used for
I can appreciate the jab about my education and reading comprehension, but it really falls short considering that the word is "suggests" not "suggets," and reading comprehension is not the same thing as "grammar."
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On top of which, proper grammar and sentence structure involves the use of sentences which are denoted by periods, not commas. <-- like that 😁
It is a bit difficult to read a 200+ word write-up that has no periods. You mentioned going back to school, well... in school that is referred to as a run-on sentence. I am merely suggesting that, to help get your message across more clearly, you may want to include more actual sentences (which require these types of punctuation: . ? !).
.you are not FB, so your general statement about what FB did is pure speculation
Actually, I was responding to YOUR speculation. Since you are accusing Facebook of not expecting to deal with these challenges. So I would put this back on you, as you are not FB, and your general statement about what FB "did not expect" is pure speculation.
and the lack of any kind of parental controls on the QII is proof that FB did not foresee the utter mess that would be the influx of underage children taking over the QII platform
That is false speculation. It is entirely possible that FB did foresee the problem but simply chose not to implement any Quest-specific controls. Just because they made a choice that you do not agree with does not mean that they did not foresee it.
Besides, the Facebook Account requirement means that Parents can take full advantage of Facebooks Security Controls:
So if we can put aside the anti-Facebook bias and personal attacks for a moment, we can see that the facts around the security controls available today do prove that parents have some valid control over what their children see and hear in Oculus VR. If we couple that with the fact that parents should always monitor a child's computer electronics usage... then the problem isn't as bad as the average naysayer may make it out to be.
I will say this one more time before i report your harrsament and childish jibs, if you have any issue with my English then take it to PM, other wise stay on topic, ok, thank you for your time and take care.
I will say this one more time before i report your harrsament and childish jibs, if you have any issue with my English then take it to PM, other wise stay on topic, ok, thank you for your time and take care.
Well I think the Mods can see who is the one doing the harassing and childish jibs so no point making idle threats. My previous post expands on the whole English vs Grammar thing quite well so no need to repeat it all here.
Happy to stay on topic. Per my last post, I provided links explaining how it was wrong for you to make certain accusations against Facebook. There are videos and articles on how to apply parental controls to both Facebook and Quest 2. So any attempts to portray parental and security controls as completely non-existent are innaccurate.
And if there are better, and specific, controls people would like to see, then rather than simply bashing Facebook, why not offer up some meaningful suggestion?
All one really needs to do is read the above linked article, and see this is a prevalent issue that is just going to get bigger and bigger the more folks buy into VR "for their children".
And it is good that Meta is talking with these groups and going to try working with them to come up with some better protections for the children. The protections that claim to be there now are obviously not enough and some are quite well hidden. So hopefully Meta, along with other companies involved in VR , will work with these groups on trying to come up with a better way of protection for the children who put on these headsets. Cause you can bet your butt, there are going to be some very shady characters out there trying their best to entice these same children.
I don't know about other countries but here in the states both pedophilia and sex trafficking is a huge problem, one that does not get near enough attention as it is. And they will do all they can to exploit this emerging virtual technology as well.
You may think you have free reign to harras oculus/FB consumers on this forum, but you do not, so take heed of my warning and keep the off topic comments and attacks about me to PM, ok, thank you.
And as for your other postings, i can happily say with confidence that knowning you have nothing to do with FB is a utter blessing, as imagine just how much worse FB's lack of children safety features on their VR HMDs would be after the corporate defence over children online safety diatribe you replied with, so a massive positive for FB for once, and a god helps us all if the day comes when your like has a say in childrens safety from any corporation you deem more important that a childs safety online, i shudder and am disgusted at your previous response, shocking in every way.
You may think you have free reign to harras oculus/FB consumers on this forum, but you do not, so take heed of my warning and keep the off topic comments and attacks about me to PM, ok, thank you.
I would say that this applies equally to you, and I would ask that you take your own advice by taking this to PM instead of continuing to attack and derail. Thanks.
And as for your other postings, i can happily say with confidence that knowning you have nothing to do with FB is a utter blessing, as imagine just how much worse FB's lack of children safety features on their VR HMDs would be after the corporate defence over children online safety diatribe you replied with
This is just more personal attacks, and has nothing to do with the topic. And how do you know that I have nothing to do with Facebook? Seems to be a fairly unreasonable speculation. On top of potentially being wrong, it adds no value to the discussion.
If you actually understood what I was saying, I am in no way "defending" corporate safety. Instead, I have made it clear that Corporations and Governments should provide tools and guidelines. Yet parents have the responsibility to monitor their children (which is the only way to ensure guidelines are being followed), and parents need to implement the tools.
You have not really offered any valid feedback to this effort. You simply switch from attacking Facebook to attacking me.
The protections that claim to be there now are obviously not enough and some are quite well hidden.
I can agree that the existing protections are not enough. My current disagreement is around the notion that "zero protections currently exist," and that is simply observably untrue.
I would also add that, no matter the number of protections for children, it is the parents that need to ensure they are being implemented.
That is my main focal point:
The solution is a combined effort between Guidelines + Controls + Parental Involvement.
If a parent takes a hands-off approach, then the child has free reign to masquerade as an adult and get free access to the Internet and any VR ecosystem.
All forms of Social Media, including Twitter, SnapChat, and TikTok, are breeding grounds for predators. And those platforms are easily accessible to children, and are NOT owned by Facebook. The problem can't be solved without parental involvement.
Thanks to everyone who's participating in this discussion in good faith. Please, let's all remember to stay friendly so that this space can remain a welcoming place for everyone. Disagreeing with points of view is perfectly fine, but responses that become attacks on the poster are unacceptable. Rule one, don't be a jerk.
This is an important topic and while I don't have any specifics that I can let you in on regarding plans here at the company, it is a topic that I'll be sure to bring up when I share your feedback and concerns.
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