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Oh Palmer, why you never learn?

RikkTheGaijin
Heroic Explorer
Seriously, how the people in Oculus PR department are ok with this? They should forbid Palmer to go online. 😐


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kevinw729
Honored Visionary

Zimtower said:

Pre-orders are meant to build up interest and hype for a product, before it's officially released. I would suggest that Oculus never do pre-orders again if they aren't going to live up to their promises.



I have to wonder now about the future positioning for many of the
original VR community. They were promised so much, asked to be patience
and to hold the faith, and finally when they reach the conclusion, they
find it different to the promises - even now faced with rewriting of
history, or even attack for criticism!


Now we learn the possibility of TOUCH being not $199 but a possible
$399, with a Q4 not H2 release - this 'ballpark' disruption at the same time black-PR injects post
after post suggesting "...is room-scale VR really necessary now!"


The managing of the PR message is not subtle, not slick, but is a
'beerhall putsch' to try and take control of the open VR community; take
them in their direction and milk them for the maximum, while the
confusion of the business model is redressed into a closed garden
approach.


You need to ask the question, why are the majority of OVR demo's at
E3 going to be on Touch if Touch will not be available at the middle of
2016 as promised? Why start questioning room-scale? And why such the
secret snide comments about Valve and HTC? Maybe they should wait till
October and the Sony PlaystationVR launch before they start the real
black-PR attacks?

https://vrawards.aixr.org/ "The Out-of-Home Immersive Entertainment Frontier: Expanding Interactive Boundaries in Leisure Facilities" https://www.amazon.co.uk/Out-Home-Immersive-Entertainment-Frontier/dp/1472426959

rat8cheese
Protege

kevinw729 said:


Zimtower said:

Pre-orders are meant to build up interest and hype for a product, before it's officially released. I would suggest that Oculus never do pre-orders again if they aren't going to live up to their promises.



I have to wonder now about the future positioning for many of the
original VR community. They were promised so much, asked to be patience
and to hold the faith, and finally when they reach the conclusion, they
find it different to the promises - even now faced with rewriting of
history, or even attack for criticism!


Now we learn the possibility of TOUCH being not $199 but a possible
$399, with a Q4 not H2 release - this 'ballpark' disruption at the same time black-PR injects post
after post suggesting "...is room-scale VR really necessary now!"


The managing of the PR message is not subtle, not slick, but is a
'beerhall putsch' to try and take control of the open VR community; take
them in their direction and milk them for the maximum, while the
confusion of the business model is redressed into a closed garden
approach.


You need to ask the question, why are the majority of OVR demo's at
E3 going to be on Touch if Touch will not be available at the middle of
2016 as promised? Why start questioning room-scale? And why such the
secret snide comments about Valve and HTC? Maybe they should wait till
October and the Sony PlaystationVR launch before they start the real
black-PR attacks?



Palmer himself in an interview said a conventional controller (Xbox) was not the ideal way to interact with VR and then bundles said controller with the Rift.  'Nuff said.

Oblongship
Heroic Explorer



kevinw729 said:


Zimtower said:

Pre-orders are meant to build up interest and hype for a product, before it's officially released. I would suggest that Oculus never do pre-orders again if they aren't going to live up to their promises.



I have to wonder now about the future positioning for many of the
original VR community. They were promised so much, asked to be patience
and to hold the faith, and finally when they reach the conclusion, they
find it different to the promises - even now faced with rewriting of
history, or even attack for criticism!


Now we learn the possibility of TOUCH being not $199 but a possible
$399, with a Q4 not H2 release - this 'ballpark' disruption at the same time black-PR injects post
after post suggesting "...is room-scale VR really necessary now!"


The managing of the PR message is not subtle, not slick, but is a
'beerhall putsch' to try and take control of the open VR community; take
them in their direction and milk them for the maximum, while the
confusion of the business model is redressed into a closed garden
approach.


You need to ask the question, why are the majority of OVR demo's at
E3 going to be on Touch if Touch will not be available at the middle of
2016 as promised? Why start questioning room-scale? And why such the
secret snide comments about Valve and HTC? Maybe they should wait till
October and the Sony PlaystationVR launch before they start the real
black-PR attacks?



Palmer himself in an interview said a conventional controller (Xbox) was not the ideal way to interact with VR and then bundles said controller with the Rift.  'Nuff said.


Before someone asks for source.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CoDJttJofg

kevinw729
Honored Visionary
Thank you @rat8cheese and @Oblongship for the clarification of what I was alluding too. I am sorry that you will now be attacked for even siding with my comments, but your honesty is appropriated.



Many of you know my extensive focus is on the digital Out-of-Home entertainment
(DOE) market. I started my drive in this sector of VR back in the 90's
and when VR started to gain popularity again in 2011, I wrote about
Immersion in my co-authored book, and interviewed OVR and Sony then investing in the scene.



It was made clear to me at that time that certain parties at OVR thought DOE
was a fad, and a failure, a niche they saw no value in, and an area of
business they could not control so would block. The famous Chuck E.
Cheese VR incident being a case in point.



Now in 2016, and much of  my voiced concerns about consumer VR have appeared to
be correct - after so many attacks against my questions over price of
hardware (that famous $800 PC rant), operational issues and mainstream penetration, against a DOE
route to business it would seem now that attacking my right to an
opinion is the only defence for some against the nagging questions of
their
culpability and business sense!


The reality of what we discussed back at the 2014 SteamDev conference
has come to pass - create of a walled garden, attacks on anyone
questioning the business sense of those involved, investment more in a
hardware cult than a VR community. To those that questioned what could
go wrong back in 2014... I give you 2016, May the 7th, as an example of where we are!


But let me close in saying this - all my DOE clients have now
abandoned OVR and placed all their eggs in HTC, GearVR*, or other HMD's - so I watch
OVR from the sidelines wondering if the deal with BestBuy is a way to
get into the public sector through the 'backdoor' - or if this will be
the start of a 'remastering' of the OVR business approach in face of the
sudden popularity in what they had previously so arrogantly written off?




*=Oh and don't event try and say that GearVR is still controlled by OVR - just ask
Samsung and Oculus Texas how much control the OVR management have on
that products usage in DOE!

https://vrawards.aixr.org/ "The Out-of-Home Immersive Entertainment Frontier: Expanding Interactive Boundaries in Leisure Facilities" https://www.amazon.co.uk/Out-Home-Immersive-Entertainment-Frontier/dp/1472426959

Zoomie
Expert Trustee

kevinw729 said:

Now we learn the possibility of TOUCH being not $199 but a possible
$399, with a Q4 not H2 release - this 'ballpark' disruption at the same time black-PR injects post
after post suggesting "...is room-scale VR really necessary now!"



What's your source for this?  I haven't seen anything official to suggest a price, or anything other than a H2 release of the Touch.  I know there has been hyperbolic speculation here on the forums about high prices or late launches but I wouldn't recommend you put much stock in those.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C Clarke

needleseyemusic
Protege


yup , oculus is a sinking ship.


I hope you are being sarcastic.

kevinw729
Honored Visionary

Zoomie said:

What's your source for this?  I haven't seen anything official to suggest a price, or anything other than a H2 release of the Touch.  ...but I wouldn't recommend you put much stock in those.



I agree - it is best not to put stock in the echo chamber that is the
forums of present. The sad fact is that the VR community seems to have
been polluted to a level that makes reading Reddit painful.


But to answer your point @Zoomie - OVR has established a 'limited
information' approach, with Tweets and clues in interviews seen as
stock-in-trade and offering a level of duplicity to any promises! As we
recently saw to past accusations, certain executives claimed
"...misinterpretation of comments..." when they felt uncomfortable -
dancing on a head of a pin when the actual quotes were revealed
(ballpark!!)


My source is my interpretation of the information available, and I am
an avid watcher of the streams - and have a long memory... (how is Rock
Band VR doing?)



And so far my betting average is better than OVR's



- Calling the actual release date of CV1 (not Q1 but Q2...and counting)

- Calling the real price of the HMD (quoting $599 back in 2014!)

- Calling the real price of the PC needed (quoting over $1k and being attacked for it)

- Calling the issues with Consternation (including needing two cameras for Touch)

etc.....


So @Zoomie - this information is IMHO, but my ability seems better than some of the black-PR carping on this and other forums!


(Oh and not claiming to be perfect - got the PSVR price dead wrong (claimed $799 when it is actually $499!)





And while we are at it, lets make some other 'wild' speculation:



- A number of prominent executives will depart after E3 and before the end of the year from OVR

- Big Microsoft announcement linked to VR for Q3

- Touch specifications will be delayed until announcement of the Q4 release date

- Touch price will be hid in a CV1 bundle initially

- Oculus Texas will divest its involvement with PC business officially

- Samsung will announce a non-Oculus supported HMD for 2017



How about those apples!?

https://vrawards.aixr.org/ "The Out-of-Home Immersive Entertainment Frontier: Expanding Interactive Boundaries in Leisure Facilities" https://www.amazon.co.uk/Out-Home-Immersive-Entertainment-Frontier/dp/1472426959

ug
Honored Guest
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JSMosby
Explorer
I actually managed to buy one at a Best Buy in Arlington Texas. I was number 2 in line and they had a grand total of 5 in stock. Three of us had pre orders. I have canceled my pre order and got a message that they were in the process of allocating my code for Eve Valk and to check back. I drove from Waco and another guy came from Austin. I think 5 was the max number of Rifts any store got. So, the line is a little shorter for the people having to wait but not by much.

Steffen
Protege
I don't know Palmer Lucky at all but perhaps he is just the most sarcastic person in oculus vr.