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Palmer luckey is right.

inovator
Consultant
He said if you gave everyone a high end system vr still wouldn't go mainstream yet. You can easily find and read this vr news. Oculus said why they are going to start off with inside tracking 1st. The next headset will basically be the same. I don't totally disagree since the co-founder left Oculus because he wanted to do major upgrades which would take the latest upgraded CPU equipment that would keep pricing High. So It May Be Best To Do This painstakingly  slow. I'll probably be dead when the  happens.
Part of article:
 In the wake of the overhaul’s cancellation, the company will be pursuing a more modest product update — possibly called the “Rift S” — to be released as early as next year, which makes minor upgrades to the device’s display resolution while more notably getting rid of the external sensor-tracking system, sources tell us. Instead, the headset will utilize the integrated “inside-out” Insight tracking system, which is core to Facebook’s recently announced Oculus Quest standalone headset.
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Anonymous
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The problem with the PC for VR is that the value proposition is wrong.

When people talk about advantages of PC VR they always say the same thing... graphics.  Implicit in this proposition is that people are aspiring for lifelike realism.  Realism simply is not that important in VR.  The most important thing in VR is immersion which is the feeling that you are actually there.



Yes and no - most people are ok with cartoonish games. Honestly - I haven't seen too many people complain about it - for the people I have talk to it really comes down to having a device in the first place that can run VR. I know a number of my family alone would love to have vr - it's just they choose to buy other things instead of a computer or they have limited internet access. Quest should fix that for them and over all become the mainstream device for most people out there. I mean - that is also some of the reasons why people buy consoles. They see the console as being cheaper than buying a computer even though a computer would be with in 100-200$ difference.

SkScotchegg
Expert Trustee
I would be disappointing if they moved away from the current tracking system, since we have already invested in it. And I like it a lot, I think its perfect and I don't have any issues with tracking in my games.

You can't compare quest to Rift as Rift is running off your GPU where as quest is not even a laptop, it's more like a mobile phone.

I don't understand why people are considering these as the same market. I don't mind tethered for the most part but a few games like Superhot or Beat Saber I always end up pulling or the knocking the wire by accident.

For Rift, we don't need new tracking systems, we just need wireless, and wireless technology already exist for Rift but most of us are waiting for Oculus to release their own version of a wireless Rift or adapter.
UK: England - Leeds - - RTX 2080 - Rift CV1 & Rift S - Make love, not war - See you in the Oasis!

inovator
Consultant
Many people have to set them up, move furniture etc.  is why the current cameras are not that good. It's a royal pain.

jayhawk
Superstar
VR already didn't go in the direction I thought it would. If it ends up mobile only, which to me it sure seems like it's headed that way, then it won't be for me. I'll go back to my flat screens. I don't have anything against being untethered, just like gaming over anything else. Who knows maybe I'll have to default to PSVR lol.

SkScotchegg
Expert Trustee
I think all this doom and gloom is not needed.

I reckon we'll always have high end VR using nvidia graphics from our PC's. I don't think that's going to go away. We already saw facebook's half moon.

Plus we already have our Rift, nobody is going to take away our Rift like they did with electric cars back in the 80's lol.

As long as they keep bringing out great games for Rift and then eventually for Rift 2. That's what matters, the software!
UK: England - Leeds - - RTX 2080 - Rift CV1 & Rift S - Make love, not war - See you in the Oasis!

KlodsBrik
Expert Trustee

jayhawk said:

VR already didn't go in the direction I thought it would. If it ends up mobile only, which to me it sure seems like it's headed that way, then it won't be for me. I'll go back to my flat screens. I don't have anything against being untethered, just like gaming over anything else. Who knows maybe I'll have to default to PSVR lol.


There wil always be high end tethered VR. Question is if Oculus will still lead the road and entusiasm to bring the best products ahead. ( I personally still believe they will ).
Be good, die great !

kevinw729
Honored Visionary

KlodsBrik said:
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There will[sp] always be high end tethered VR. Question is if Oculus will still lead the road and enthusiasm[sp] to bring the best products ahead. ( I personally still believe they will ). 



Totally agree, high-end was there before and will be there after. The question is how much of the future aspirations for OVR to lead this depends on the Quests success?
https://vrawards.aixr.org/ "The Out-of-Home Immersive Entertainment Frontier: Expanding Interactive Boundaries in Leisure Facilities" https://www.amazon.co.uk/Out-Home-Immersive-Entertainment-Frontier/dp/1472426959

inovator
Consultant
Eventually you will not need a high end pc to get the best experience. Oculus figured how to get what took much more power in the past to get what the quest will get now. I believe things will keep heading in that direction. 

KlodsBrik
Expert Trustee

inovator said:

Eventually you will not need a high end pc to get the best experience. Oculus figured how to get what took much more power in the past to get what the quest will get now. I believe things will keep heading in that direction. 


While I agree with you, I also have to disagree on the behalf of the laas of physics, until the whole design of computers take a new aproach. With the technology we have now it´s just not possible to put a game like skyrim onto the Quest platform giving the user the same experience as with a pc. But offcourse we will get there. But it wont be with the cpu architecture that we are using now.
Be good, die great !

kevinw729
Honored Visionary

KlodsBrik said:
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With the technology we have now it´s just not possible to put a game like skyrim onto the Quest platform giving the user the same experience as with a pc. But offcourse we will get there. But it wont be with the cpu architecture that we are using now.



This seems the key issue for Quest's support - that initial miss step where we danced around the head of a pin with comments like "Rift like" experience. When we all knew it needs high-end PC for the best experience. The reality that the Quest uses the same Snapdragon as the Focus which everyone tried to slate - tells us, we are close, but not yet.

In defining what Quest is, is where the Oculus marketing team earns their paycheck this Spring!
https://vrawards.aixr.org/ "The Out-of-Home Immersive Entertainment Frontier: Expanding Interactive Boundaries in Leisure Facilities" https://www.amazon.co.uk/Out-Home-Immersive-Entertainment-Frontier/dp/1472426959