Pissed off people chastise Facebook but vr is not a charity.

[inovator]

I'm not I facebook fanboy. I use it mainly to keep up with my family and when required to use it with vr. Facebook greatly helped vr.. it spent billions to get where it is today. Palmer luckey sold out for money but he said you need unlimited recourses to get vr to work. He was right. Facebook deserves to have whatever name they want on their headsets and events etc. They deserve to make money and get a return anyway it is legal. Privacy issues what a joke. The complainers buy sevices and products all the time that requires you to give your first born.  Let's have a little gratitude we have a company that is contributing so much to vr. Facebook is all about social. If they put gaming more at a distance and make social events become mainstream I'll still be grateful. It will still help vr all around. Those that don't like Facebook's sign up requirements and leave well, it's been nice knowing ya.

[kevinw729]

I noticed this appearing in some forums after a delay from FB supporters. The "you should be so thankful" and "they need to make back their money" comments.

This type of deflection was obviously going to happen - I think it has taken so long to materialize is due to how much of a surprise the reaction to this announcements, with the community uproar, caught out the execs at FB. The double surprise of the FB renaming and the ID requirements were never expected to cause this level of ferocity, and some execs have been chastised from the top on their handling and the optics caused, so we see the deflection.

Look, if you want to try and encourage support and sympathy for a billion Multi-Dollar corporation, great, and I hope that they reward you well. But let's not try and deflect from the real reason. People signed up to buy products and content, with the promise that elegance to FB was not a fear to consider, and now those that warned them that this would eventually happen have been vindicated.

This is far more about the issues of the stifling of the promise of this phase of VR through corporate control and manipulation, than a need to see FB get its fair share!

Let the air-brushing begin!

[Zenbane]

I noticed this appearing in some forums after a delay from FB supporters.

There was never a delay from Facebook supporters, as people on Facebook
have been using their Accounts for Oculus ever since it became an option; and once this announcement was made, multiple Facebook users came out in Support. Granted, they are on Facebook voicing their support, so it may be easy to misrepresent these activities when discussing them outside of Facebook.

I notice this type of misinformation appearing on this forum as an intentional response against FB supporters.

Not to mention that billions of people have been using Facebook for over a decade. That's far from a "delay." 😄

This type of deflection was obviously going to happen

Referring to facts as a deflection is obviously going to happen for those with an agenda against Oculus.

Look, if you want to try and encourage support and sympathy for a
billion Multi-Dollar corporation, great, and I hope that they reward you
well.

This is a needless personal attack against the OP, and should be avoided per the forum rules. Discuss the topic, don't attack the poster.

[inovator]

Kevinw said: I noticed this appearing in some forums after a delay from FB supporters. The "you should be so thankful" and "they need to make back their money" comments.

I'm not really a fb supporter. I'm really just a supporter of capitalism. Businesses and individuals break promises all the time. It's part of life. If someone doesn't like it than they can vote with their wallet which is fine. Sometimes you can make a promise and things change especially in business where you have to back track. 

[Zenbane]

inovator said:

Kevinw said: I noticed this appearing in some forums after a delay from FB supporters. The "you should be so thankful" and "they need to make back their money" comments.

I'm not really a fb supporter. I'm really just a supporter of capitalism. Businesses and individuals break promises all the time. It's part of life. If someone doesn't like it than they can vote with their wallet which is fine. Sometimes you can make a promise and things change especially in business where you have to back track. 

The "promise" (as a select few choose to call it) is actually just some reddit post made by Palmer years ago. It wasn't a real promise. But this is all coming after Oculus and Facebook merged, going full force in to Home-Based VR while leaving Facility VR, and VR Arcades, in the dust. So some may choose to treat Palmer's reddit post as a Biblical Promise during times like this.

But as you said, businesses change and it is nonsensical to treat a forum post as a contractually binding promise.

[inovator]

Zenbane said:

inovator said:

Kevinw said: I noticed this appearing in some forums after a delay from FB supporters. The "you should be so thankful" and "they need to make back their money" comments.

I'm not really a fb supporter. I'm really just a supporter of capitalism. Businesses and individuals break promises all the time. It's part of life. If someone doesn't like it than they can vote with their wallet which is fine. Sometimes you can make a promise and things change especially in business where you have to back track. 

The "promise" (as a select few choose to call it) is actually just some reddit post made by Palmer years ago. It wasn't a real promise. But this is all coming after Oculus and Facebook merged, going full force in to Home-Based VR while leaving Facility VR, and VR Arcades, in the dust. So some may choose to treat Palmer's reddit post as a Biblical Promise during times like this.

But as you said, businesses change and it is nonsensical to treat a forum post as a contractually binding promise.

Agreed.  And besides even if it was a real promise how can it be kept when you know longer own the company. Omg  700 million dollars in his pocket. Wow talk about being a capitalist!

[Anonymous]

inovator said:

I'm not I facebook fanboy. I use it mainly to keep up with my family and when required to use it with vr. Facebook greatly helped vr.. it spent billions to get where it is today. Palmer luckey sold out for money but he said you need unlimited recourses to get vr to work. He was right. Facebook deserves to have whatever name they want on their headsets and events etc. They deserve to make money and get a return anyway it is legal. Privacy issues what a joke. The complainers buy sevices and products all the time that requires you to give your first born.  Let's have a little gratitude we have a company that is contributing so much to vr. Facebook is all about social. If they put gaming more at a distance and make social events become mainstream I'll still be grateful. It will still help vr all around. Those that don't like Facebook's sign up requirements and leave well, it's been nice knowing ya.

They are certainly entitled to try and make a profit anyway thats legal. On that we can agree

However companies deserve nothing, not gratitude, not thanks. We as customers give them money when they supply goods and services that we as customers want. As soon as they fail to do that we walk away. The fact that some claim we should be loyal and grateful when they no longer supply what some of us want speaks of a fanboy and white knight.

I support a company as long as it is supplying what I want the best, at a price I am willing to pay (price not being purely monetary). Oculus no longer supplies a service I want as its headsets are now mediocre compared to the competition and will remain so until they actually release one better.....before someone goes on about half dome will probably be released in the future. They set a price I was not willing to pay which is a facebook account.

I therefore will look elsewhere when I replace my CV1 and those that shout about loyalty and gratitude should take a good look at yourselfs. Doesn't matter what company you have loyaltly and gratitude to...that just lines you up as sheep to be sheared.

[kevinw729]

inovator said:
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I'm not really a fb supporter. I'm really just a supporter of capitalism. Businesses and individuals break promises all the time. It's part of life. If someone doesn't like it than they can vote with their wallet which is fine. Sometimes you can make a promise and things change especially in business where you have to back track. 

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Agreed.  And besides even if it was a real promise how can it be kept when you know longer own the company. Omg  700 million dollars in his pocket. Wow talk about being a capitalist!

Could not agree more @inovator - expecting on a company to abide by a loose "promise" made by an executive in a AMA, who was soon ousted from the operation under challenging conditions, (soon followed by a procession of his fellow executives) is not promise. And it has been over six years anyway, so things would obviously move on.

It would be lunacy to expect the corporation to keep to that path and not change, the same lunacy that some ignored or denied that the FB operation was heading down a Walled Garden approach to their eventual business. That eventually all of this would be behind a ID wall and that would be the flavor of Oculus VR going forward.

My point is that this is only one part of the VR opportunity - and in supporting their approach the other aspects of VR adoption have been neglected. Those areas that were kind of the roadmap that most users did sign up for, with an understanding that the propose of a non ID based approach to their purchases was still the direction of that roadmap (the understanding many started the company by their Kickstarter support).

Now they find out that that was not the case, and the hope that 800-days to accept or move on is okay for people with commitments and content purchases under the previous perception, is the real focus of the grievance. That FB does what FB does is not the grievance just a deflection - some of us have come to terms with that and take the appropriate measures when dealing with FB and its chattel.  

[inovator]

Nemayn said:

inovator said:

I'm not I facebook fanboy. I use it mainly to keep up with my family and when required to use it with vr. Facebook greatly helped vr.. it spent billions to get where it is today. Palmer luckey sold out for money but he said you need unlimited recourses to get vr to work. He was right. Facebook deserves to have whatever name they want on their headsets and events etc. They deserve to make money and get a return anyway it is legal. Privacy issues what a joke. The complainers buy sevices and products all the time that requires you to give your first born.  Let's have a little gratitude we have a company that is contributing so much to vr. Facebook is all about social. If they put gaming more at a distance and make social events become mainstream I'll still be grateful. It will still help vr all around. Those that don't like Facebook's sign up requirements and leave well, it's been nice knowing ya.

They are certainly entitled to try and make a profit anyway thats legal. On that we can agree

However companies deserve nothing, not gratitude, not thanks. We as customers give them money when they supply goods and services that we as customers want. As soon as they fail to do that we walk away. The fact that some claim we should be loyal and grateful when they no longer supply what some of us want speaks of a fanboy and white knight.

I support a company as long as it is supplying what I want the best, at a price I am willing to pay (price not being purely monetary). Oculus no longer supplies a service I want as its headsets are now mediocre compared to the competition and will remain so until they actually release one better.....before someone goes on about half dome will probably be released in the future. They set a price I was not willing to pay which is a facebook account.

I therefore will look elsewhere when I replace my CV1 and those that shout about loyalty and gratitude should take a good look at yourselfs. Doesn't matter what company you have loyaltly and gratitude to...that just lines you up as sheep to be sheared.

Good points Maybe I phrased it wrong. I'm not really grateful towards the company itself I'm grateful that the  capitalistic mindset allows great things to happen and is helping vr. You are correct it's not being done for us but for the possibility of great future profit. I'm thankful there was a company with the bucks to get this going. 

[inovator]

kevinw729 said:

inovator said:
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I'm not really a fb supporter. I'm really just a supporter of capitalism. Businesses and individuals break promises all the time. It's part of life. If someone doesn't like it than they can vote with their wallet which is fine. Sometimes you can make a promise and things change especially in business where you have to back track. 

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Agreed.  And besides even if it was a real promise how can it be kept when you know longer own the company. Omg  700 million dollars in his pocket. Wow talk about being a capitalist!

Could not agree more @inovator - expecting 

My point is that this is only one part of the VR opportunity - and in supporting their approach the other aspects of VR adoption have been neglected. Those areas that were kind of the roadmap that most users did sign up for, with an understanding that the propose of a non ID based approach to their purchases was still the direction of that roadmap (the understanding many started the company by their Kickstarter support).

People who  supported vr oculus were mainly gamers. They got what they went in for for a period of time. Facebook bought the company with a whole different mindset.  They have a huge social agenda that includes vr. They are not neglecting anything. They paid billions to include vr as a huge social input when vr becomes mainstream. I knew and many from jump street knew that fb a social company not gaming. Come on man it's called facebook. I'm still glad they bought palmer's company. Thanks for your input. We are having a constructive  debate and that's good.