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The real hidden reason for all the facebook hate
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03-26-2014 08:08 AM
Let's face it guys, we're all pretty much nerds except those of us who are rich. We all experienced high school and the jocks and cliques. Well, I believe the real reason behind so much hate on facebook is that it is basically the grown up equivalent of high school with jocks and cliques, and you even have a number next to your name so everyone knows how many "friends" you have, it is instant social bracketing and correct me if I'm wrong, what every nerd fears.
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on forums?
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03-26-2014 12:02 PM
I believe shining sunlight on things makes them less likely to harm us. Let's get at why there is so much hate right now coming at Oculus. In America, more and more companies are screwing us over. For most of us (middle class) wages have been stagnant even while corps make more and more. We pay taxes, they pay less on a percentage of income than we do. Yet even as they make more and more it never seems to be enough. They find new ways to screw us over and raise rates on everything. Heck, few remember that the cable and telco have already been paid by us the US taxpayers to deliver last mile fiber in all major cities. Do most of us have fiber to our house? No, because they pocketed the money, and we got diddly for it.
People have become distrustful of the corps. And then along comes Oculus founded on this new idea that the people can choose products they like and pick people they want to produce them; groups of people that are generally unrelated throwing money directly at something because they want to see them succeed. Then as they start to make it we can follow along and cheer them on. They are the little engine that could. They are us. We live through them a little (sometimes a lot) vicariously. And Oculus was one. The narrative was simple, the little guy with a dream and a prototype brings it to the big city and everyone throws parties and the win just falls out of every window.
We ignore that before people spent a dime on Kickstarter Brendan wrote a check. Most don't realize that even before the people made Oculus one of the most successful Kickstarter ever. Palmer became the face and Brendan (and others) became the business. Now Brendan knows his business. He has been successful before. And that's good. But people ignored that it was a business because they kept seeing Palmer's face talking about "the dream". Then more money came along with more strings and more with even more strings before Facebook even entered the picture. Still Palmer was living the dream and so were we.
Circa now, when suddenly "big evil company" (in many minds) steps in and says sure we will add our money to this too so we are part of the future. We like future, let's make the future. And many look around and say, "but, but what about the dream, what about the little company that could." And everyone no longer looks at the kid with the big ideas talking about "the dream." Because behind his shoulder is something that's been there growing for a long time but what they refused to acknowledge until now; big business.
Now in "the dream" magic happens and everyone everywhere buys the thing we knew was going to be awesome before everyone else found out it was awesome and we get to be "that guy" who knew way back when. The problem with this fantasy is that people can't buy what you can't get to market. And the markets are run by huge corporations. Oculus had two choices:
1) slow roll, scaling up along at each stage until maybe 5 years from now the mass market went wow I guess maybe the this VR thing might be cool, fighting against all the negative press because they didn't produce enough products, or it isn't already in every home, risking falling into the trap of being a niche product/market. And people say, "that's great I wanted a niche product." But niche products mean fewer choices for software because so few can justify making a top of the line game for it because the return is so little. It means that more indies can't justify there night and weekend time making anything because they have less chance of any return.
2) Partner/be acquired by a big enough player to really do a mass market roll out. Then VR really does have a chance to happen without huge chance of being a niche market. It means things like the Metaverse can happen sooner. It also means all of us are looking, watching those strings by those who made investments and making sure those strings don't end up being pulled and ruining the whole thing for everyone. It comes with dangers. They could end up putting up toll gates, ads everywhere, branding that turns everyone off, etc, etc. But one thing it does do is drive the market. And if they do a shitty job of it. Then the next guy comes along and says you can have your new shiny without ads, and without pay tolls because that's what people want.
TL;DR We were fooling ourselves and living through others. This acquisition isn't the end of "the dream" because much of the dream was illusion. That the VR revolution would be brought to you by the people for the people. We are angry because we didn't understand the realities of Mass Market consumer product development. The good news is that VR is far from dead and is more likely than ever to become the real deal.
People have become distrustful of the corps. And then along comes Oculus founded on this new idea that the people can choose products they like and pick people they want to produce them; groups of people that are generally unrelated throwing money directly at something because they want to see them succeed. Then as they start to make it we can follow along and cheer them on. They are the little engine that could. They are us. We live through them a little (sometimes a lot) vicariously. And Oculus was one. The narrative was simple, the little guy with a dream and a prototype brings it to the big city and everyone throws parties and the win just falls out of every window.
We ignore that before people spent a dime on Kickstarter Brendan wrote a check. Most don't realize that even before the people made Oculus one of the most successful Kickstarter ever. Palmer became the face and Brendan (and others) became the business. Now Brendan knows his business. He has been successful before. And that's good. But people ignored that it was a business because they kept seeing Palmer's face talking about "the dream". Then more money came along with more strings and more with even more strings before Facebook even entered the picture. Still Palmer was living the dream and so were we.
Circa now, when suddenly "big evil company" (in many minds) steps in and says sure we will add our money to this too so we are part of the future. We like future, let's make the future. And many look around and say, "but, but what about the dream, what about the little company that could." And everyone no longer looks at the kid with the big ideas talking about "the dream." Because behind his shoulder is something that's been there growing for a long time but what they refused to acknowledge until now; big business.
Now in "the dream" magic happens and everyone everywhere buys the thing we knew was going to be awesome before everyone else found out it was awesome and we get to be "that guy" who knew way back when. The problem with this fantasy is that people can't buy what you can't get to market. And the markets are run by huge corporations. Oculus had two choices:
1) slow roll, scaling up along at each stage until maybe 5 years from now the mass market went wow I guess maybe the this VR thing might be cool, fighting against all the negative press because they didn't produce enough products, or it isn't already in every home, risking falling into the trap of being a niche product/market. And people say, "that's great I wanted a niche product." But niche products mean fewer choices for software because so few can justify making a top of the line game for it because the return is so little. It means that more indies can't justify there night and weekend time making anything because they have less chance of any return.
2) Partner/be acquired by a big enough player to really do a mass market roll out. Then VR really does have a chance to happen without huge chance of being a niche market. It means things like the Metaverse can happen sooner. It also means all of us are looking, watching those strings by those who made investments and making sure those strings don't end up being pulled and ruining the whole thing for everyone. It comes with dangers. They could end up putting up toll gates, ads everywhere, branding that turns everyone off, etc, etc. But one thing it does do is drive the market. And if they do a shitty job of it. Then the next guy comes along and says you can have your new shiny without ads, and without pay tolls because that's what people want.
TL;DR We were fooling ourselves and living through others. This acquisition isn't the end of "the dream" because much of the dream was illusion. That the VR revolution would be brought to you by the people for the people. We are angry because we didn't understand the realities of Mass Market consumer product development. The good news is that VR is far from dead and is more likely than ever to become the real deal.
Michael Tenery, Software, RPG and Game Developer.
Imagine Role Playing: http://www.role-playing.com
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03-26-2014 12:04 PM
wonderful show of strawman puppetry. you all sure proved the naysayers wrong!
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03-26-2014 12:09 PM
"PVS1" wrote:
wonderful show of strawman puppetry. you all sure proved the naysayers wrong!
Did you have anything specific you wanted to disagree with? I was trying to be honest, not make a strawman. It isn't my imagination that people are saying "the dream" died or this is the end of VR, etc., etc?
Michael Tenery, Software, RPG and Game Developer.
Imagine Role Playing: http://www.role-playing.com
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03-26-2014 12:14 PM
You need to face one basic reality: Oculus was always going to become a huge corporation one way or another.
It was either that or they languish in obscurity as a toy maker for hobbyists, and the game industry as a whole never latches on because it wouldn't get them a profit.
If you want to preach anti-business politics and exclusionary elitism this was never the right place to do it, from day 1. It runs counter to the original stated goal of creating broad adoption of VR.
It was either that or they languish in obscurity as a toy maker for hobbyists, and the game industry as a whole never latches on because it wouldn't get them a profit.
If you want to preach anti-business politics and exclusionary elitism this was never the right place to do it, from day 1. It runs counter to the original stated goal of creating broad adoption of VR.
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03-26-2014 12:17 PM
Actual legal investment and stock ownership of average Oculus fan = 0%
Actual emotional investment of average Oculus fan = 9600%
The hate is just because people got the two numbers confused.
They all seem to think they owned the company, but really they just
have their own personal dreams.
Nobody has taken their dreams away except for themselves.
The developers and fans who cannot see beyond the red mist lack
imagination and probably shouldn't be developing VR worlds anyways.
Actual emotional investment of average Oculus fan = 9600%
The hate is just because people got the two numbers confused.
They all seem to think they owned the company, but really they just
have their own personal dreams.
Nobody has taken their dreams away except for themselves.
The developers and fans who cannot see beyond the red mist lack
imagination and probably shouldn't be developing VR worlds anyways.
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03-26-2014 12:21 PM
I actually see Facebook joining in as an opportune. Oculus gets much more wide marketing campaign and it gets more money on developing, and they are able to release the consumer version earlier.
However, if there will be ads on third party games, or you have to watch or click an ad/login on to the device to do shit with, i will pair with Sony. At first i was thinking that i will never buy other companys VR device but Oculus, because Oculus made it happen but if there is something like advertising shit on a product i paid with € i wont buy it.
However, if there will be ads on third party games, or you have to watch or click an ad/login on to the device to do shit with, i will pair with Sony. At first i was thinking that i will never buy other companys VR device but Oculus, because Oculus made it happen but if there is something like advertising shit on a product i paid with € i wont buy it.
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03-26-2014 12:22 PM
"raidho36" wrote:
No, the basic reason for hate is literally "because they're a corporation of evil", as childish and baseless as it sounds. Just mad fanatics.
The stupid shit I've seen posted in the last two days is unbelievable. I swear these guys also expected the world to end in 2012. :lol:
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03-26-2014 12:33 PM
I don't think it is quite a jocks and cliques type situation. It's more like your cute friend you have a crush on just announced she's marrying the guy who wedgies you and sticks your head in the toilet. The thing everyone needs to realize is it doesn't change who she is, but it may mean she has to make the occasional compromise or do something that makes her feel dirty once and awhile. It's our job as her friend to support her and band together to stand up for her if the douche tries to make her do something she would never willingly do.
Facebook wants profit... If they try to do something you don't like let them know and generally they will back off.
Xbox and their DRM - People freaked and they removed it
Sony and root-kits, plus other things - People freaked and they removed it
Facebook and several things - people freaked and they either removed it or added settings to allow you to disable it
Intel and adding hardwired ID tracking to processors - people freaked and they removed it
Numerous other examples really...
They are releasing the Oculus as it is currently designed to be... Tens of millions of people will adopt it and say "WOW!"
If Facebook later tried to pervert the tech millions would freak out and they will change their mind as it isn't profitable to tick off your user-base.. Unless you are Apple in which case that is called a Tuesday.
Facebook wants profit... If they try to do something you don't like let them know and generally they will back off.
Xbox and their DRM - People freaked and they removed it
Sony and root-kits, plus other things - People freaked and they removed it
Facebook and several things - people freaked and they either removed it or added settings to allow you to disable it
Intel and adding hardwired ID tracking to processors - people freaked and they removed it
Numerous other examples really...
They are releasing the Oculus as it is currently designed to be... Tens of millions of people will adopt it and say "WOW!"
If Facebook later tried to pervert the tech millions would freak out and they will change their mind as it isn't profitable to tick off your user-base.. Unless you are Apple in which case that is called a Tuesday.
Fire and brimstone coming down from the sky! Rivers and seas boiling!
Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes!
The dead rising from the grave!
Facebook buying the Oculus Rift!
Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats, living together! Mass hysteria!
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03-26-2014 12:40 PM
The fear is losing our Oculus! Oculus turning into a less indie friendly platform is the fear, facebook taking total control would possibly crash the Oculus ship and we need VR like this!
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03-26-2014 01:13 PM
"nasses321" wrote:
The fear is losing our Oculus! Oculus turning into a less indie friendly platform is the fear, facebook taking total control would possibly crash the Oculus ship and we need VR like this!
We're talking about a PC peripheral here. Restricting it to some kind of Facebook platform would not only be complicated and bad press, it would get hacked in about an hour. Not worth the trouble. If you build something worthwhile, people will come. No need to force their hand.
This doesn't worry me one bit.
There's already a ton of apps, console games and whatnot with optional Facebook components. I don't see why this would change.
