Quest 2 / Quest Build 25.0 Release Notes

Nunyabinez said:

We are now seeing the result of VR going "mainstream." Enthusiasts and early adopters are into a cutting edge technology and are willing to deal with the occasional issues that come up.

The mainstream crowd are impatient and expect everything to be flawless or they take their balls and go home.

With v25 most people are working just fine, but the newbies that have issues are throwing hissy fits and sending their headsets back.

Other than giving developers more of a reason to make VR games, I would actually prefer that the "casual VR user" not have a headset anyway.

I'm not in the mainstream crowd but you know what I think they and me expect? Updates to not break things that were working before. I am indeed willing to deal with it but at the same time, I think it is a bit ridiculous some of these issues happen, like the jittery menus in Oculus home after this update. How does this get screwed up and how was it not caught? Multiple people here including me have mentioned it so did they even test V25 before rolling it out? The jittery menus are so bad that when they happen, they could easily make someone sick that is new to VR and doesn't have much of their "VR legs"

The worst part is that they don't provide any solid avenue to try and fix it. Apparently factory resetting often gets rid of these issues but then you lose save data because Oculus refuses to have a system wide cloud save feature. If you can't see how ridiculous it is to expect people to possibly have to factory reset their headset every single month to fix the latest firmware glitch/bug and potentially lose their data (can't even rely on SideQuest backup as it doesn't work with every game) then I don't know what else to say.

loregnum said:

Nunyabinez said:

We are now seeing the result of VR going "mainstream." Enthusiasts and early adopters are into a cutting edge technology and are willing to deal with the occasional issues that come up.

The mainstream crowd are impatient and expect everything to be flawless or they take their balls and go home.

With v25 most people are working just fine, but the newbies that have issues are throwing hissy fits and sending their headsets back.

Other than giving developers more of a reason to make VR games, I would actually prefer that the "casual VR user" not have a headset anyway.

I'm not in the mainstream crowd but you know what I think they and me expect? Updates to not break things that were working before. I am indeed willing to deal with it but at the same time, I think it is a bit ridiculous some of these issues happen, like the jittery menus in Oculus home after this update. How does this get screwed up and how was it not caught? Multiple people here including me have mentioned it so did they even test V25 before rolling it out? The jittery menus are so bad that when they happen, they could easily make someone sick that is new to VR and doesn't have much of their "VR legs"

The worst part is that they don't provide any solid avenue to try and fix it. Apparently factory resetting often gets rid of these issues but then you lose save data because Oculus refuses to have a system wide cloud save feature. If you can't see how ridiculous it is to expect people to possibly have to factory reset their headset every single month to fix the latest firmware glitch/bug and potentially lose their data (can't even rely on SideQuest backup as it doesn't work with every game) then I don't know what else to say.

Do you have any evidence that this is wide spread? A couple of disgruntled people on a blog does not indicate a massive issue. Oculus has sold perhaps 3 million Quest 2 headsets. If there were 3+ million Quest users whose headsets were broken, this forum, Reddit and Facebook would blow up.

You assume because you had a problem that everyone has it. I have 4 Oculus headsets and all of them are working just fine on v25. Should I say you are a liar because you say you have problems? Of course not. But that means that YOU have a problem with v25 and YOUR headset. When only some people have an issue, it can be very hard to track it down and fix it. If everyone had a problem, Oculus would address it to everyone.

And my point still stands. This is not like a Windows update that is to a base system that has been around for a dozen years. And in my many years as a Windows user and as Mac user, I have seen updates that were full of bugs. And yes, the broke existing functionality.

So maybe you expect updates to not break things. In my opinion that is an unreasonable expectation. And your examples just make my point for me. This is still bleeding edge technology. You can't reasonably expect it to behave like a mature product. I don't know if you were around for the first version of the iPhone, but it was a hot mess.

Failrunner said:

Nunyabinez said:

We are now seeing the result of VR going "mainstream." Enthusiasts and early adopters are into a cutting edge technology and are willing to deal with the occasional issues that come up.

The mainstream crowd are impatient and expect everything to be flawless or they take their balls and go home.

With v25 most people are working just fine, but the newbies that have issues are throwing hissy fits and sending their headsets back.

Other than giving developers more of a reason to make VR games, I would actually prefer that the "casual VR user" not have a headset anyway.

Facebook apologist. ?

If you have something to assert, take more time than a whippy personal attack. If you want to refute my points, please do so and we'll discuss, but don't take the coward's way and attack me. Man up. 

Nunyabinez said:

loregnum said:

Nunyabinez said:

We are now seeing the result of VR going "mainstream." Enthusiasts and early adopters are into a cutting edge technology and are willing to deal with the occasional issues that come up.

The mainstream crowd are impatient and expect everything to be flawless or they take their balls and go home.

With v25 most people are working just fine, but the newbies that have issues are throwing hissy fits and sending their headsets back.

Other than giving developers more of a reason to make VR games, I would actually prefer that the "casual VR user" not have a headset anyway.

I'm not in the mainstream crowd but you know what I think they and me expect? Updates to not break things that were working before. I am indeed willing to deal with it but at the same time, I think it is a bit ridiculous some of these issues happen, like the jittery menus in Oculus home after this update. How does this get screwed up and how was it not caught? Multiple people here including me have mentioned it so did they even test V25 before rolling it out? The jittery menus are so bad that when they happen, they could easily make someone sick that is new to VR and doesn't have much of their "VR legs"

The worst part is that they don't provide any solid avenue to try and fix it. Apparently factory resetting often gets rid of these issues but then you lose save data because Oculus refuses to have a system wide cloud save feature. If you can't see how ridiculous it is to expect people to possibly have to factory reset their headset every single month to fix the latest firmware glitch/bug and potentially lose their data (can't even rely on SideQuest backup as it doesn't work with every game) then I don't know what else to say.

Do you have any evidence that this is wide spread? A couple of disgruntled people on a blog does not indicate a massive issue. Oculus has sold perhaps 3 million Quest 2 headsets. If there were 3+ million Quest users whose headsets were broken, this forum, Reddit and Facebook would blow up.

You assume because you had a problem that everyone has it. I have 4 Oculus headsets and all of them are working just fine on v25. Should I say you are a liar because you say you have problems? Of course not. But that means that YOU have a problem with v25 and YOUR headset. When only some people have an issue, it can be very hard to track it down and fix it. If everyone had a problem, Oculus would address it to everyone.

And my point still stands. This is not like a Windows update that is to a base system that has been around for a dozen years. And in my many years as a Windows user and as Mac user, I have seen updates that were full of bugs. And yes, the broke existing functionality.

So maybe you expect updates to not break things. In my opinion that is an unreasonable expectation. And your examples just make my point for me. This is still bleeding edge technology. You can't reasonably expect it to behave like a mature product. I don't know if you were around for the first version of the iPhone, but it was a hot mess.

First of all, i have been on vr since DK2, i have been playing on quest 2 v21, v23 and this v25.
And FOR ME my q2 has gone from perfect to fatal with this V25, to the point that I've had to disable the guardian (improves a little)

NOW i have sttutering, on menus, games, passthrough etc etc
Are you telling me that they are imaginations or something similar?

Have you taken a walk on reddit? because there are a lot of complaints


Factory reset done, the same... have v25 on pc and q2

First of all, i have been on vr since DK2, i have been playing on quest 2 v21, v23 and this v25.
And FOR ME my q2 has gone from perfect to fatal with this V25, to the point that I've had to disable the guardian (improves a little)

NOW i have sttutering, on menus, games, passthrough etc etc
Are you telling me that they are imaginations or something similar?


Factory reset done, the same... have v25 on pc and q2

No, but are you saying that I must be having these problems? Because I'm not. I have no doubt that some people are having issues. And I sincerely feel bad for those people who are. I have been there many times when my stuff wasn't working and everyone else's was, and it sucks.

I just see people saying "v25 is a disaster", when what they should be saying is "v25 is a disaster for me."

I see enough people complaining that there is certainly something going on, but not nearly enough to be able to assume that it is a wide-spread problem affecting all or even a large number of users.

Nunyabinez said:

First of all, i have been on vr since DK2, i have been playing on quest 2 v21, v23 and this v25.
And FOR ME my q2 has gone from perfect to fatal with this V25, to the point that I've had to disable the guardian (improves a little)

NOW i have sttutering, on menus, games, passthrough etc etc
Are you telling me that they are imaginations or something similar?


Factory reset done, the same... have v25 on pc and q2

No, but are you saying that I must be having these problems? Because I'm not. I have no doubt that some people are having issues. And I sincerely feel bad for those people who are. I have been there many times when my stuff wasn't working and everyone else's was, and it sucks.

I just see people saying "v25 is a disaster", when what they should be saying is "v25 is a disaster for me."

I see enough people complaining that there is certainly something going on, but not nearly enough to be able to assume that it is a wide-spread problem affecting all or even a large number of users.

im saying there are a lot of complaints, where u read "are you saying that I must be having these problems?"

jotadesigns said:

Nunyabinez said:

First of all, i have been on vr since DK2, i have been playing on quest 2 v21, v23 and this v25.
And FOR ME my q2 has gone from perfect to fatal with this V25, to the point that I've had to disable the guardian (improves a little)

NOW i have sttutering, on menus, games, passthrough etc etc
Are you telling me that they are imaginations or something similar?


Factory reset done, the same... have v25 on pc and q2

No, but are you saying that I must be having these problems? Because I'm not. I have no doubt that some people are having issues. And I sincerely feel bad for those people who are. I have been there many times when my stuff wasn't working and everyone else's was, and it sucks.

I just see people saying "v25 is a disaster", when what they should be saying is "v25 is a disaster for me."

I see enough people complaining that there is certainly something going on, but not nearly enough to be able to assume that it is a wide-spread problem affecting all or even a large number of users.

im saying there are a lot of complaints, where u read "are you saying that I must be having these problems?"

How do you define "a lot of complaints?"

I see a handful of people out of several million users. So I'm saying that you may be overestimating the number of people being affected by this. It appears that the vast majority of people are unaffected, which isn't probably much comfort to those who are.

Nunyabinez said:

We are now seeing the result of VR going "mainstream." Enthusiasts and early adopters are into a cutting edge technology and are willing to deal with the occasional issues that come up.

The mainstream crowd are impatient and expect everything to be flawless or they take their balls and go home.

With v25 most people are working just fine, but the newbies that have issues are throwing hissy fits and sending their headsets back.

Other than giving developers more of a reason to make VR games, I would actually prefer that the "casual VR user" not have a headset anyway.

Nunyabinez you are the one making the claim that it is just fine for most people...so where are you getting your data? I show an overwhelming more comments of having issues with Build 25 than I do those claiming awesomeness on these forums. I am lucky enough to have an image of the Oculus folder and was able to revert back to "working just fine" with Link by putting Build 23 back.

Chappie8824 said:

Nunyabinez said:

We are now seeing the result of VR going "mainstream." Enthusiasts and early adopters are into a cutting edge technology and are willing to deal with the occasional issues that come up.

The mainstream crowd are impatient and expect everything to be flawless or they take their balls and go home.

With v25 most people are working just fine, but the newbies that have issues are throwing hissy fits and sending their headsets back.

Other than giving developers more of a reason to make VR games, I would actually prefer that the "casual VR user" not have a headset anyway.

Nunyabinez you are the one making the claim that it is just fine for most people...so where are you getting your data? I show an overwhelming more comments of having issues with Build 25 than I do those claiming awesomeness on these forums. I am lucky enough to have an image of the Oculus folder and was able to revert back to "working just fine" with Link by putting Build 23 back.

This seems kind of silly. Do you expect that people who upgrade and have no problems are going to flock to forums to say "just letting you know that my update didn't screw up my headset!"

People only let you know when something went wrong. And by simple logic, if 3 million Quest users all had problems it would be more than a handful of people on forums complaining. 

I'm not saying that a good number of people aren't being affected, but there isn't evidence that this is affecting everyone or even the majority.