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RuneSR2
Honored Contributor
July 28, 2018
Question

The destructive force of GREAT VR games getting mediocre or no reviews

When telling my friends and colleagues that VR is mankind's most impressive invention since the wheel, I keep hearing that many will consider buying a VR headset when great games arrive. I can then tell them about the many awesome VR games, but the problem arises when I have to show some reviews of such great VR games. Often there're no reviews or the authors of VR game reviews seem keen to do their very best bashing most VR games for not being good enough - quite contrary to my experiences.

I know Oculus took great pride getting a top-ranked VR game on Metacritic, and they succeeded with Lone Echo last year. But where do we stand this summer? - Here's today's list of the best PC games, including VR games, from Metacritic (and my friends read such lists):



According to that list there are no games you can't play without a VR headset. The only game on the list you can play in VR is The Forest, but it works in 2D too. If the list is expanded to show all current games, Gunheart also receives 83 points like The Forest, and again you don't need a VR headset to play Gunheart. My friends easily conclude that since there're no VR-only high-ranking games on the Metacritic list, it's because current VR games are of poor quality and VR is something no one truly needs. 

I can't blame them for drawing such conclusions, and even showing 2D trailers don't help much, because you can't communicate the greatness of VR games using a 2D video.

I think it's a great problem that new and awesome VR games don't get good reviews or do not get reviewed at all. Let's take Moss - it's a VR-only game arriving a few months ago:

Moss Metacritic Score for PC: No score due to insufficient number of reviews.
Moss User Score in the Oculus Store: About 96% average. 

There're just 3 Moss reviews for PC VR on Metacritic, scoring the game at 79, 80 or 90 % - which in no way reflects user experiences. And often I see a similar trend. 

The reason behind the few Moss PC reviews are probably that many reviewers reviewed the PS4 version and then didn't want to do another review for PC VR. Thus compared to the 3 reviews for the Rift/Vive version, there're 62 reviews of the PS4 version! Interestingly many reviewers have no problem reviewing different game versions for PS4, XBox One and PC - like Battlefield 1, Fifa 18 and Rise of the Tomb Rader just to name a few titles. Why didn't Moss PC VR get a similar treatment?

This is a great problem - Moss for the Rift and Vive is not the same as the PS4 version; PS4 has no controllers matching the Rift or Vive, and the PS4 has much lower resolution (also when using high levels of super-sampling on the Rift and Vive). But the greatness of Moss PC VR was never communicated to the masses, because there're almost no published reviews of one of the greatest VR games so far - and certainly the best one thus far in 2018!

Another problem of mixing VR and 2D games on Metacritic is to compare apples and oranges, or probably more to compare grapes and watermelons 😉

To illustrate: Is Subnautica 2D the same as Subnautica VR? Is Elite Dangerous 2D the same as Elite Dangerous VR? I'd personally consider Subnautica VR about 10 times better than Subnautica 2D, even if the VR version does have some problems. So should we rate Subnautica 2D at 10 % and the VR version at 100 % ? Of course this would not be fair, but I'd have no problem rating Subnautica 2D at 65 % and the VR version at 95 %, if we really want to compare apples and oranges - and want to rate both on the same scale. 
I believe that many reviewers rate VR games just as if the games were in 2D. Comparing 2D and VR games, I'd have a hard time rating a 2D game more than 70 % - and that would be for the very best AAA 2D games, while I'd have a hard time rating any high-quality VR game below 90 %. This is due to the fact that VR games are so incredibly more visually impressive and immersive than any 2D game can be - and Touch controllers add a lot to provide a truly unique VR experience. For example I'd have no problem rating a 2D version of Marvel Powers United at maybe 60 %, and to rate the VR version at 90 %, because the immersion - the feeling of being present in the game world - is so much better in VR. 

If reviewers fail to clearly communicate how much better VR games are compared to 2D games, how are persons - who know very little about VR - going to know how much better VR games are compared to 2D games? The current bashing of Marvel Powers United is a great example of this - and it's a great destructive force limiting VR adoption when VR game reviewers constantly criticize gameplay as if a VR game wasn't different from a 2D game. A new VR game which is the best within it's genre - compared to other VR games in the same genre - is per definition the new reference and should carry a rating reflecting that position. - And such a VR game should not carry a rating that reflects a reviewers preference for 2D games in the genre. 

I think it would be great if Oculus representatives could ask Metacritic not to mix 2D and VR games; there are plenty of VR games to support having their own category.
We need to stop comparing apples and oranges. 

Finally we could take a look on the current top three PC games on Metacritic, namely these:

Into the Breach - rated 89 %


Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire - rated 88 %


Final Fantasy XV - Windows - rated at 85 %


I do think that some of these games look impressive, but are these games way better than the latest and greatest Rift games? Personally I'd consider the following games so much better; compared to 2D games I'd happily rate Moss at 97 %, Seeking Dawn at 93 % and Marvel Powers United VR at 90 %



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    Inspiring
    July 30, 2018
    never mind - deleted - was nothing we all don't know ;)
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    Up and Coming
    July 31, 2018
    This is a pretty mediocre review. Score 6.7. I read a lot of the comments and a lot of people are underwhelmed with what they see. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZhnNw1f1Sc

    The complaint is that it's repetitive. I can't completely disagree because there is only one game mode. But it's a lot more fun than that would suggest. 
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    Inspiring
    July 31, 2018
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    RuneSR2
    RuneSR2Author
    Honored Contributor
    August 1, 2018

    MowTin said:

    This is a pretty mediocre review. Score 6.7. I read a lot of the comments and a lot of people are underwhelmed with what they see. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZhnNw1f1Sc

    The complaint is that it's repetitive. I can't completely disagree because there is only one game mode. But it's a lot more fun than that would suggest. 


    Interesting 67 % I guess that's another "D" in the grade book  ;)

    From good old Wikipedia:

    "Below is the grading system found to be most commonly used in United States public high schools, according to the 2009 High School Transcript Study.[1]This is the most used grading system, however, there are some schools that use an edited version of the college system."


    Letter GradePercentage
    A90%-100%
    B80%-89%
    C70%-79%
    D60%-69%
    F0%-59%


    According to Metacritic, Marvel Powers United (MPU) did get a "C" though - I'm not sure a C is turning many non-VR heads toward the game, sadly - and I'm pretty sure Jason Rubin is not at all for a "C":




    Maybe reviewers are becoming too critical, hurting the industry and our hobbies. Well, at least MPU's metascore is now only one point behind Mage's Tale, that's got to count for something... ;) 

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    Zenbane
    Honored Contributor
    August 1, 2018
    Once MPU gets more single player campaign content, the score with sky-rocket. That is currently the number 1 critique: People want more!

    And that's a great criticism to have.
    :)
    Honored Contributor
    August 1, 2018
    60-69 is a D?
    wow! either exams are too easy or that is some harsh marking there.

    this is what we have in blighty.

    Alevels

    A 80
    B 70
    C 60
    D 50
    E 40

    then fail

    Advanced Highers
    • A: Best possible grade, excellent (around 70–100%)
    • B: Above average grade, very good (around 60–70%)
    • C: Minimum pass, improvement needed (around 50–60%)
    • D: Close fail (between 40% and 49%)
    • N/A: Fail/No Pass (0–40%)

    to me 60 - 70 I would consider fairly good.
    70-80%  very good
    80 - 90& excellent
    and 90%+ extraordinary and only for truly stand out titles (or in the case of exams pupils)

    imo if 69% is considered poor it is a reflection that too many reviewers routinely review too high....

    now, of course this difference in opinion is a problem. IF I reviewed it and gave a 69% to me that would be, "worth a closer look for most and definitely worth a buy if you are a fan of the genre".    IF someone else reviewed it, it would seem to mean stay away.

    this is why i like that reviews often no longer give a score, but just say the strengths and weaknesses and then leave it to the punter to then decide if it is for them.
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    Zenbane
    Honored Contributor
    August 1, 2018


    60-69 is a D?
    wow! either exams are too easy or that is some harsh marking there.




    I grew up in the 80's and this is a nationally accepted and understood grading system. Anything below a 60 is failing. It's the standard 10-point grading system, where a range of 10 represents A-D. If you can't get in any of those 4 categories then you get a damn F. Seems basic enough, and fair. lol



    imo if 69% is considered poor it is a reflection that too many reviewers routinely review too high....


    69 is my favorite number.

    But in all seriousness, none of these games are being "measured" the same way. A 69 for MPU vs a 91 for Sonic Mania Plus isn't really being rated on the exact same measuring stick, na' mean?

    MPU currently has 4 out of 5 stars on Oculus Home reviews (with 200+ reviewers). That's a solid B! (80%)

    Honored Contributor
    August 1, 2018

    Zenbane said:



    60-69 is a D?
    wow! either exams are too easy or that is some harsh marking there.




    I grew up in the 80's and this is a nationally accepted and understood grading system. Anything below a 60 is failing. It's the standard 10-point grading system, where a range of 10 represents A-D. If you can't get in any of those 4 categories then you get a damn F. Seems basic enough, and fair. lol



    i grew up in the 80s too, just different area.  I guess my point is, not that you are wrong, or that i am, but it is why a scoring system (in the instance of games, its a necesary thing for exams and works ok there because exam marking is regional not world wide) is imo an outdated concept because there isnt a universally accepted grading system.

    like i said, if i give a 69 to a score, I am thinking its pretty good just missing out on being great, where as you are saying it barely passed muster... you would maybe give the same game a 79, and yet reading our review we would possibly say the same stuff if that makes sense.
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    Zenbane
    Honored Contributor
    August 1, 2018


    like i said, if i give a 69 to a score, I am thinking its pretty good just missing out on being great, where as you are saying it barely passed muster... you would maybe give the same game a 79, and yet reading our review we would possibly say the same stuff if that makes sense.



    Agreed. Metacritic gives MPU a 71 based on "4 critics" but it gets an 80% in Oculus Home based on 200+ owners of the title.

    I guess a 9-point difference aint so bad. So maybe the scoring systems aren't as far off as we think?
    Honored Contributor
    August 1, 2018
    to be honest i would generally take real owners views over a random reviewer.......... (thought there are some reviewers i know tend to think like me so i trust more than others).

    either way however i generally do my own work before buying....
    In the age of easy refunds hopefully games "on the edge" people will still give a chance  anyway because you literally have nothing to lose if its crap, get your money back.  I tried the process both on steam and oculus home once each and it was painless both times.  (I just hope people use it in the spirit intended and not as a free rental service)
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