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Inspiring
October 23, 2015
Question

Does Microsoft really care about PC gamers?

I am a PC gamer at heart, and have been since about 1992 when I got to try my wealthy friend's Commodore 64. I have owned quite a few consoles as well, but if I could get the game on PC, I played it on PC. Over the years, Microsoft has published many of my favorite PC games (Motocross Madness 1&2, Monster Truck Madness 1&2, Midtown Madness 1&2, Microsoft Flight Sim series, Halo 1&2, Gears of War, Train Simulator, Fable, ect...). For all the awesome titles they put out, there has been a noticeable downward trend for quite some time. Looking at the Microsoft Games Wiki, 2004 was the start of this downward trend. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_published_by_Microsoft_Studios

Being that the Xbox came out a couple years prior to this downward trend, this tells me they viewed PC gaming as direct competition to their console market and decided to pull back on making PC games for the most part. The amount of titles directly reflects this decision.

With the recent revival of VR, Microsoft is thrusting themselves into the PC gaming picture again. But are their actions actually matching their statements? They keep repeating "we care about PC gaming", yet the only thing I have seen thus far is the ability to stream a Xbox One to my Windows 10 PC (totally pointless waste of resources) and a Xbox One controller with the consumer Rift :roll:. These are not the actions of a company that wants to push PC gaming, these are the actions of a company trying to push a console.

And lets take a look at the latest console. The Xbox One itself is a hodgepodge all-in-one multimedia unit that is good at doing many things but not that great at doing the most important thing it should be doing, and that is playing games. The PS4 beats the Xbox one in every important gaming area from specs to FPS (not to mention all the awesome exclusive titles). The PS4 will have an actual VR interface next year that will provide real VR experiences, and a Virtual cinema can't hold a candle to that. I still love my Xbox 360 dearly and play it daily, but it isn't trying to be an all-in-one media unit. It does exactly what it needs to do, and does it well.

Next year will finally be the year of consumer VR, and Microsoft is showing up late to yet another ballgame. They lost out on MP3 players (Zune fail), Smart Phones (Nokia fail), and are again behind the ball on the next big technological breakthrough (Virtual Cinema fail). People are looking for the next great gaming experience, and the Star Citizen crowd funding campaign is directly a result of that. They are nearing 100 million dollars of pledge money and the game isn't even done yet! You can't tell me there isn't a PC gaming market, we have put our money where our mouths are!

Instead of providing VR Cinema Xbox streaming that totally defeats the purpose of PC VR and teasing things like "Halo 5 might come out on PC someday", they need to step up and actually do something for the PC gaming community. If you build it, they will come!

    91 replies

    Inspiring
    November 16, 2015
    "kevingulling" wrote:
    It is not actually even legal for a corporation to 'care' about anything but money. I am a CEO and there are actually laws in place that force you to make decisions based on monetary gains rather than ethics or empathy.

    Which laws? Non-profit making decisions can certainly get you fired by the shareholders, but which laws forbid you to make decisions based on ethics/empathy?
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    Inspiring
    January 20, 2016
    Had another look at the Windows 10 games in the Live Marketplace and it is still horribly bad.

    I have never seen so many free-to-play mobile POS games in my life.
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    Participant
    February 16, 2016
    "kevingulling" wrote:
    "zork2001" wrote:
    Does Microsoft as a company care about gaming? Is that a joke were you not listening to what they were trying to do with the xbox1? Keep it online and controlled not let you share games, some of the most fascist stuff you ever heard. No the company does not care about games; games is just another part of tec business to them. Even the OG xbox and I believe the 360 they were losing money on every console, they were just after the market share.


    It is not actually even legal for a corporation to 'care' about anything but money. I am a CEO and there are actually laws in place that force you to make decisions based on monetary gains rather than ethics or empathy. Most (or many) CEO's and execs are legitimate psychopaths. Now think of Christian Bale from American Psycho and multiply him by 10 and you've got your Microsoft board of 'caring' directors. Capitalism 101.


    Hmm... quite insightful *cough* post :shock:
    Inspiring
    February 26, 2016
    Yep, I rest my case. They are actually putting limitations on games that are bought through the Live Marketplace!

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/3038428/windows/why-serious-pc-gamers-should-ignore-the-windows-store.html

    No SLI support?! No v-sync settings?! Locked FPS and no access to FPS counters?! No macro support?! Locked into borderless fulscreen?!

    And the comment under the article: "None of this a problem unless your running an old piece of junk, windows store is awesome beats steam hands down." -Jeff Tech

    Hahahaha! OK, Windows store beats Steam HANDS DOWN?! With the awesome selection of ONE WHOLE AAA GAME?! Not to mention the glaring limitations of FPS, SLI, V-Sync, ect!

    Jeff 'Tech' doesn't have any 'Tech' experience, I can tell you that.
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    Inspiring
    March 7, 2016
    And I double rest my case. Microsoft proposes closing Lionhead Studios and cancelling the new Fable game that was supposed to be one of the first games to be cross compatible with PC and Xbox One.

    Another great move for PC gaming! :?

    http://venturebeat.com/2016/03/07/microsoft-cancels-fable-legends-and-proposes-closing-lionhead-studios/
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    Inspiring
    March 7, 2016
    I heard a lot of complaints, but Gears of War Ultimate Edition is actually cool. The first DirectX 12 release for Windows 10. Granted, it could have been optimized better (have to run on medium w/ a 980) but it looks pretty nice.
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    Inspiring
    March 7, 2016
    "cybereality" wrote:
    I heard a lot of complaints, but Gears of War Ultimate Edition is actually cool. The first DirectX 12 release for Windows 10. Granted, it could have been optimized better (have to run on medium w/ a 980) but it looks pretty nice.


    The Gears games are great, and it was nice to get a couple of them on PC, although I had to buy them on Xbox to play with my friends (games for gold gave a couple away which was nice). I thought these games should have been cross-platform though. It was a big let down the first time I tried to host up a game on my PC and send an invite to my friend on xbox, get all the way to him joining the game and he gets the 'please insert windows disk' error. Doesn't look like they are making the new one cross-platform either. I might still pick it up because the original game was so good, but I will be waiting for a sale.

    I was really looking forward to the new Fable game and the fact it was cross-platform. I felt it was a huge step in the right direction. Ah well, if it wasn't VR compatible, I probably wouldn't be spending much time with it anyway.
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    Inspiring
    April 3, 2016
    I saw Killer Instinct for free on Windows marketplace and downloaded it.  It looks awesome although I have the bug where the game is way too fast.  I hear it has something to do with refresh rate of the monitor, so I am betting my 120Hz monitor is doubling the game speed  :D.  It looks like Sabrewulf is the only playable character on the free version, but I will most likely buy the entire game when they get the graphics issue sorted.

    Not bad Microsoft, not bad at all.
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    Participant
    April 3, 2016

    I think MS moved their focus from PC to console, but they did still iterate on Direct X which has been the foundation for most PC games.

    The Win10 store is poor right now, and the Xbox windows application isn't very useful even though I do own a decent gaming PC and an Xbox One, but hopefully they will improve things over time.

    They fixed the initial Gsync problem with GOW Ultimate on PC and it now supports 4k textures and ultrawide resolutions so my 21:9 monitor is supported now, all that's left is support for overlays and SLI.

    Inspiring
    June 15, 2016

    Boy, Microsoft really missed the mark at E3 this year compared to the competition.  Sony was all about new games and giving the people exactly what they wanted.  All sorts of new VR titles and great games to look forward to.

    Xbox was all about hardware and customized controllers (wow who cares about coloring a controller)?!  I am a hardware guy and I do enjoy new hardware news, but E3 should be about giving people something exciting to look forward to.  Good software will sell the hardware, there is no need to use E3 to announce hardware unless it is a huge change (a slim XBOne and customized controller colors doesn't quite fit that bill in my opinion).  The best thing I heard from them was Project Scorpio which doesn't come out until the end of next year (this could easily have been an E3 2017 announcement instead).  The slim XBone is a nice touch, but when the competition is outselling you 2 to 1 you need to do better.

    Gears of War allowing Windows 10 and Xbox One cross compatibility is another great thing I heard, but they should have been doing things like that a loooong time ago.

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