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A beatiful gesture from Oculus

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Friendly comment: Would not be a beatiful gesture for those who have been wating more than two weeks buying a product (and still waiting) giving some present to them?. Obviously, I do not want it sounds like command (nothing farest than I want meaning). It would be a good detail in this situation.

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bigmike20vt

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Well there is always the vive, I hear they are shipping plenty fast enough ;)

Fiat Coupe, gone. 350Z gone. Dirty nappies, no sleep & practical transport incoming. Thank goodness for VR :)

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CrashFu

Inspiring

And we all know that if the Vive's motion controls hadn't been rushed to market to get a head start on Rift, and if Valve hadn't done such aggressive controversy-stirring to scare early-adopters away from Oculus, and if the average consumer were smart enough to buy an entertainment system based on the content actually available for it rather than buying them based on empty promises, that this "VR war" never would have started in the first place. :wink:

And FYI, FB are selling Rifts at $399 because they want to. Selling the Rift as cheaply as possible and making a profit through long-term content sales has been their stated business goal since day one. Did you just conveniently forget that, because you prefer a reality where slashing hardware costs somehow equates to desperation? :smirk:

HTC, on the other hand, would be ruined if they lowered the price of the Vive, because A) they literally cannot afford to do so, and B) they made a public statement saying they would NOT lower the Vive's price at any point in the forseeable future.

You think everything Oculus does is somehow a sign that they're failing, while everything HTC or Valve does is a sign that they're on the verge of a major victory. Unfortunately, that incredibly biased view absolutely does not match the context of each company's financial situation, the nature of their respective products, OR their publicly stated business goals.

Of course, if you were capable of looking at these matters objectively in the first place, you'd already be a happy Rift owner instead of a bitter Vive-supporter. :kissing_heart:

It's hard being the voice of reason when you're surrounded by unreasonable people.

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Saxaboom

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I'll just leave this here -

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bigmike20vt

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Atmos73 said:

We all know if the Vive and the Rift were priced equal this VR war would be over. FB are not selling Rifts at £399 because they want to.

It won't be long before HTC drop the price of the Vive and the gap between the £499 Rift and £599 Vive will close

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God damn i hate quote on phone on this forum its not working!

Anyway i bought rift at a time when it was the same price as the vive. No regrets here. Justify your purchase all you want but imo when push comes to shove the advantages of each cancel out and there aint much in it either way. If the tech in the rift means it can sell cheaper then from a developers view it makes it the savvy design imo.

The vive is the better design for large area vr the kind used in arcades etc but imo for the home use lighthouse is arguably overkill and too complex for its own good.

A ferrari is the better car on a race track but for most of us limited to 70mph a cheaper alternative is just as good.... (And the difference between the rift and the vive is not that big anyway imo)

Fiat Coupe, gone. 350Z gone. Dirty nappies, no sleep & practical transport incoming. Thank goodness for VR :)

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bigmike20vt

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obviously total speculation on my part (as is your hypotheses) however another way of looking at it is this...... Palmer L expected the HMD on its own to launch at $350. Internally this was quite probably the plan imo - that or PL is an out an out liar, but then given how loaded he is, I just do not see a reason to blatantly lie.
So imo its quite plausible that, combined with an obviously limited supply of oculus rifts and no hand tracking devices, with the vive launching at a very high price oculus just thought screw it, sell high at the start as we cant make them fast enough anyway, then, once the fanboys have them, and we have a full product to go to market with, and production is properly ramped up then cut the price down to what many were expecting from day 1.

I may be wrong, but 1 thing is fairly certain imo.... Palmer lucky expected the rift to be far cheaper than it was on launch... presumably he knew what the mark up was etc given his position?

PS my TV launched in 2012 with an rrp of £4000

I bought 6-9 months later for £2000 (albeit an employee discount in there too). my point is, its not unheard of for electronic components to drop quickly after launch

Fiat Coupe, gone. 350Z gone. Dirty nappies, no sleep & practical transport incoming. Thank goodness for VR :)

nalex66

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Atmos73 said:

Take the Vive out of the equation. Would Oculus be so compelled to slash the price of the Touch from £199 to £99 so quickly? Then would they be so compelled to drop the package price to a shocking £399 a short time after that?My answer if I owned the Vive or not would be no. There's no rush for VR, it will grown when the interest is there.

I think the price drop is less about competing with HTC and more about growing the market. There is kind of a rush, because if devs and publishers can't make enough sales, they'll stop developing for VR. More VR users means more customers for VR software, which means a greater chance of creating a viable and self-sustaining ecosystem. It's the same reason that Sony and MS sell consoles at a loss.

No company drops the price of its one and only product unless they
want to have a dramatic uptake in sales and the only motive Oculus can
have for that is because price is the only weapon the Rift has over the
Vive apart from a slight optical advantage on bigger sweet spot.

This is where you're mistaken--The Rift isn't their one and only product. It's their loss leader to get people in the door of the Oculus store. Their real product is software.

DK2, CV1, Go, Quest, Quest 2, Quest 3. Try my game: Cyclops Island Demo

Zenbane

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If someone strongly believes that the Rift CV1 is Oculus' "one and only product" then... please unplug all your Internets, stat.

Zenbane

Honored Contributor

Atmos73 said:

No company drops the price of its one and only product unless they want to have a dramatic uptake in sales and the only motive Oculus can have for that is because price is the only weapon the Rift has over the Vive apart from a slight optical advantage on bigger sweet spot.

So this week you are incessantly arguing that the price drop is the result of trying to compete... yet just a few short weeks ago you argued something completely different in regards to this Rift price drop:

"Facebooks business model when it comes to VR is more a mess now than
it's ever been but people here see there village burning and cheer
because their house is creating the highest flame."

https://forums.oculus.com/community/discussion/comment/534089/#Comment_534089

You have two contradictory arguments over the same exact issue. On one hand you say that FB/Oculus is just trying to get as much cash as possible before it goes up in flames, so its slashing prices. On the other hand, you say that the Rift's only weapon as they move forward competitively in a thriving market is "Price."

Either the village is burning or it's not; it can't be both. Either you're planning to move forward or you are abandoning ship. Only you would convince yourself that forward and backward are the same thing.

The fact is that neither of your imploding arguments have an ounce of truth to them. You're just desperate (per usual) to find any argument that suits your HTC bias. Consistency and accuracy have never been a concern for you. Your goals is never to make sense, your goal is just to use the forum to validate your terrible Vivarian decision ;)

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CrashFu

Inspiring

I mean jeez, it's not like they lowered the price because consumers were demanding it or anything. Not like the #1 most common feedback Oculus has heard since the Rift's launch was "I'm very interested in VR but the price is too high; if that price comes down then I'll buy it for sure."

And even if that WAS what consumers were saying, why would a company like Oculus actually revise their pricing model based on that feedback? Everyone knows that when the market is saying "We won't spend $600 on a VR system" the sensible response is "**** you! Ours will remain $800, take it or leave it." :lol:

(I had always heard that HTC was circling the drain when Valve first approached them with their partnership offer. These recent developments are giving me a good idea why :wink: )

It's hard being the voice of reason when you're surrounded by unreasonable people.

Zenbane

Honored Contributor

CrashFu said:

(I had always heard that HTC was circling the drain when Valve first approached them with their partnership offer. These recent developments are giving me a good idea why :wink: )

Circling the drain indeed, and launching the Vive was their last bastion of hope:

In 2015:
HTC is in deep trouble. Here’s why

HTC's earnings are headed in
the wrong direction after the company reported its second quarterly loss
in a row on Friday. The Taiwanese electronics manufacturer posted a 4.5
billion New Taiwan dollar ($139 million) loss on revenue of NT$21.4
billion ($660 million). Revenue was roughly half of what it was during
the same period last year.

At this time last year, HTC was turning a small profit. Now it’s posting big losses

http://fortune.com/2015/10/30/htc-corp-earnings/

Last year wasn't any better:

HTC suffers huge losses despite hype of Vive VR headset
The Taiwanese firm has now recorded a loss in the last five financial quarters

Despite the launch of its latest flagship smartphone, the HTC 10, in April, HTC reported a net loss of NT$3.1 billion (£74 million) in the second quarter of 2016.

The latest figures follow a net loss of NT$2.6bn (£62m) in the first quarter. The Taiwanese firm has now recorded a loss in the last five financial quarters.
For the period April to June 2016, HTC recorded an operating loss of NT$4.2bn (£1bn) with an operating margin of minus 22.5 per cent. This was a slight improvement on the minus 32.4 per cent last reported in its earnings last quarter.

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/htc-suffers-massive-losses-second-quarter-2016

So while Atmos is using his typical failed logic to claim that FB/Oculus aren't dropping prices because they 'want to,' the fact is that HTC literally has no choice. The price of the Vive can't drop because HTC is still trying to recover from their ongoing failures of the past.

If HTC drops the price then they are dead in the water.

Oculus does have a choice, and this price cut is a great way to remind HTC that it's a one-legged man in an ass kicking contest.

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