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December 13, 2018
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Aliens - Fact Or Fiction..?

Well we've had a time travel thread so I thought we should have an aliens thread too.

I believe that aliens have visited and are visiting our planet. Now I don't think that there are aliens that are living here and impersonating humans, but I certainly believe that at least SOME of these UFOs captured on film and seen by people are alien spacecraft.

How am I reasoning this? Pretty simple. There have simply been too many technological leaps since the 50s to make it not being true. Just have a think about it:

  1. Integrated circuits and microchips.
  2. Credit cards and bank cards.
  3. Cassette tapes, CDs, DVDs, Blu-Rays.
  4. Kevlar
  5. Lasers
  6. Stealth bombers
  7. The Oculus Rift lol
  8. Velcro.
  9. Quantum Computers.
And then have a look back through time and you have the Pyramids, Mayan astronomy and cities, Stonehenge, the Inca's Machu Picchu and Teotihuacán in Mexico.

A great deal of these UFO sightings are around air bases so a good percentage of them can be put down to experimental aircraft, but ALL of them?

The truth is out there. Trust no one.

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    Zenbane
    Zenbane
    Honored Contributor
    January 5, 2019

    snowdog said:

    I never said that we had started teleporting humans, I only mentioned atoms. But teleporting atoms isn't a million miles away from teleporting human beings which are made up of loads of the things lol. We won't be teleporting humans for quite some time but they have said that it's theoretically possible the last I heard. We're not too far away from it and interstellar space travel happening.



    I would say that teleporting atoms is a million miles away from: Breaking atoms apart, sending them to another location, and then reconstructing them perfectly. Big difference!

    One
    other thing you may want to take into account is the possibility that
    Fred The Alien may have considerably different elements on his planet
    compared to ours that might make folding space easier. Who knows?

    Sure I would agree that new elements are most certainly possible! Of course, hydrogen is the first element, and both hydrogen and helium are the most abundant elements in the universe.

    But the real problem here is: Evolution. Because Evolution is a race against Time since life on any Planet - even Earth - is always facing a mass extinction event.

    Let's imagine that a planet does exist out in the Universe that was perfect. It was built to sustain life and the solar system was 100% free of any cataclysmic events. This planet would likely never contain actual human-like creatures... because the lack of cataclysmic events means that only predators on both land and sea would thrive.

    Without the cataclysmic event to wipe them out, Evolution would simply allow them to continue evolving as predators; advanced "brain" development doesn't happen in these situations because predatory instinct is the dominant trait. If we look at our history of life on Earth, there have been mass extinction events in both land and sea. These events are what give rise to the evolution of more "intelligent" beings, like the Octopus and Humans.

    Introducing new elements shouldn't change the evolutionary cycle in such a way that intelligent beings evolve faster than predatory beings. Afterall, both types of beings require the same planetary environment to thrive. When it comes to evolution, there are no shortcuts (at least not in the early stages). Every planet begins as a dust particle, and all life begins as a single-celled organism.

    My point is that intelligent life on any planet requires a cataclysmic event to wipe out predatory instinct creatures, which in turn allows the more physically inferior intelligent creatures to continue evolving. The intelligent brain needs a lot of time and coddling in order to evolve.

    So we would have to believe that another planet had just the right cataclysmic events happening at just the right time, and then paused long enough to allow an advanced alien species to rise up and conquer its own solar system; and possibly conquer multi-dimensional travel!

    If we really think about it... we're just describing ourselves.

    Zenbane
    Zenbane
    Honored Contributor
    January 5, 2019

    Digikid1 said:


    snowdog said:

    FACT. All we need is warp drives and we've got EVERYTHING they have in Star Trek. :o


    Err....nope.  Artificial Gravity?  Dampening Fields so that we don't go SPLAT on the bulkheads? Photon Torpedoes?  Phasers?


    Plus, this thing:
    Anonymous
    January 6, 2019

    Digikid1 said:


    snowdog said:

    FACT. All we need is warp drives and we've got EVERYTHING they have in Star Trek. :o


    Err....nope.  Artificial Gravity?  Dampening Fields so that we don't go SPLAT on the bulkheads? Photon Torpedoes?  Phasers?



    Well 1 out of 4 (lasers as weapons) isn't too shabby, particularly when you take into account we now have needle-free injections, the beginnings of teleportation and the beginnings of the Holodeck. Won't be long before we have the rest of it. I'll give it 200 years tops.
    Anonymous
    January 6, 2019
    That's why it's the BEGINNINGS of teleportation. Once you can accurately and safely teleport atoms it becomes theoretically possible to teleport more of them at once, including scattering them and rebuilding them at the other end. They won't be doing this any time soon, of course, but I'd be VERY disappointed if they don't have that nailed in a couple of hundred years at the most.
    Zenbane
    Zenbane
    Honored Contributor
    January 6, 2019

    snowdog said:

    That's why it's the BEGINNINGS of teleportation. Once you can accurately and safely teleport atoms it becomes theoretically possible to teleport more of them at once, including scattering them and rebuilding them at the other end.


    But you can't just say "including scattering them and rebuilding them on the other end" as if that is somehow a default result of moving them around. That couldn't be further from the truth.
    Besides, it's not just atoms that need to be reconstructed but also molecules (entire molecular structures). We are millions of miles away from that.

    Now, I found a source that says we teleported a photon in to space. That's quite different! And even in the article about this, the scientist involved says the following:
    "To construct an entire human being from scratch — to say nothing about
    whether that human being at the destination is even the same person as
    the one you began with at the source — is a different problem entirely,"
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/science/2017/07/13/beam-me-up-scientists-teleport-1st-object-ever-earth-into-space/475713001/

    I also found something about teleporting an Atom 3 meters, but they admit that moving a human is "a long way off."

    To give an analogy, we have been able to put humans inside cars for a long time. They can be drivers or passengers. Now, imagine if science said, "Now that we can put humans inside a car we are close to turning humans INTO cars."

    I mean, how close are we to becoming a car since we're already sitting in it? It's just a matter of changing our molecular structure!
    :o

    Taking 3 Lego blocks from one room in to another room may be similar to moving a single Lego structure that is made up of multiple Lego blocks. But it doesn't work that way with molecular structures. Moving a single atom doesn't equate to moving a collection of Atoms and Molecules.
    As for a prediction of 100-200 years... well, remember that humans have been on Earth for over 65 million years. Everything we have accomplished is great, but it sure has taken a very long time lol
    Anonymous
    January 6, 2019
    I didn't for a second suggest it would be EASY but the way that technology moves these days I can't see it taking more than 200 years. There were some rumours a while back I seem to remember that one of the world's governments had managed to teleport an apple successfully years ago, might have been the Russians or Chinese, can't remember now. Could be an urban myth though?
    Zenbane
    Zenbane
    Honored Contributor
    January 6, 2019

    snowdog said:

    I didn't for a second suggest it would be EASY but the way that technology moves these days I can't see it taking more than 200 years. There were some rumours a while back I seem to remember that one of the world's governments had managed to teleport an apple successfully years ago, might have been the Russians or Chinese, can't remember now. Could be an urban myth though?

    Okay well can you at least start citing articles and studies? You keep referencing things that you kinda remember and might be real or fake lol

    This is your topic, bro, set the stage for some actual insight! This is one of the laziest approaches to an Alien discussion, for reals yo...

    "Aliens are real because Aliens are real, plus rumors about tech. Also, reverse engineering."
    Anonymous
    January 6, 2019
    I'm glad to say that I'm not the only one that remembers it. I did a search earlier and saw it mentioned here by a couple of people:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/comments/3he0p3/apple_teleportation/

    I've also previously experienced The Mandela Effect and have done since the late 70s and early 80s. :o
    Fazz
    Honored Contributor
    January 6, 2019
    Something else I can't quite wrap my head around when it comes to Ufo's and Aliens. When you google this subject you come across a lot of stories about large numbers of Military/Pilots/Police seeing Ufo's. You would think that would be enough to convince people something is going on, but it somehow just gets dismissed as not been real and this seems to get excepted.

    So are these people who are trained to have a good eye making up these stories, or are their stories been covered up? What's really strange is the cover up stories always sound a bit silly, but the actual encounter these people have sounds quite legit. 

    Do you think the cover up stories are meant to be silly on purpose? Because if it was a really good cover up story it might get people thinking that's a cover up too :D  


    DaftnDirect
    Honored Contributor
    January 7, 2019

    I have a feeling the military observations are choreographed for when they think secret test aircraft have been spotted.

    The same tactic can be applied for illicit extra-marital shenanigans. If you think you've been spotted, post a YouTube vid claiming aliens are impersonating us and you just saw one that looks like you... but it couldn't have been you cos it was kissing someone other than your partner, thereby proving that the second alien hasn't yet mastered the art of mimicry.

    100% guaranteed to work.

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