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December 13, 2018
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Aliens - Fact Or Fiction..?

Well we've had a time travel thread so I thought we should have an aliens thread too.

I believe that aliens have visited and are visiting our planet. Now I don't think that there are aliens that are living here and impersonating humans, but I certainly believe that at least SOME of these UFOs captured on film and seen by people are alien spacecraft.

How am I reasoning this? Pretty simple. There have simply been too many technological leaps since the 50s to make it not being true. Just have a think about it:

  1. Integrated circuits and microchips.
  2. Credit cards and bank cards.
  3. Cassette tapes, CDs, DVDs, Blu-Rays.
  4. Kevlar
  5. Lasers
  6. Stealth bombers
  7. The Oculus Rift lol
  8. Velcro.
  9. Quantum Computers.
And then have a look back through time and you have the Pyramids, Mayan astronomy and cities, Stonehenge, the Inca's Machu Picchu and Teotihuacán in Mexico.

A great deal of these UFO sightings are around air bases so a good percentage of them can be put down to experimental aircraft, but ALL of them?

The truth is out there. Trust no one.

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    Zenbane
    Zenbane
    Honored Contributor
    December 14, 2018

    snowdog said:
    I wasn't talking about Quantum Computing being faster than light, I just added it to my list of technology that 'could' be reverse engineered alien technology, same with Velcro too. And IF aliens HAVE designed ships with FTL drives that have crashed on Earth and been recovered by humans it's only a matter of time before some bright spark reverse engineers it.


    So this idea of reverse engineering is one that I like to discuss. There is a premise that these "aliens" are only able to perform all of this Interstellar travel simply because... they have better technology. Why do we think that it is the tech that does it?

    I like to refer to nature. Afteral, Aliens are just natural beings from their own organic planet, correct? A bird flies because of its genetic makeup. A fish breathes underwater due to its genetic makeup. What if these Aliens have a genetic makeup that allows them to bend space-time at their will? The reason time slows when traveling at Light Speed is because of the way "gravity bends space-time."

    "As objects move near to the speed of light their mass increases more and more. The increased mass modifies time of the moving object. The same happens on earth too."

    Perhaps there is an Alien species that can manipulate its speed and mass in such a way that allows it to time travel, naturally!

    I believe this is just as feasible as any other theory. But what I always found to be rather presumptuous is that we humans on Earth as just so close to uncovering the power of Aliens because all way have to do is... reverse engineer. Hollywood and SciFi writers have really given the human race some egos lol
    Zenbane
    Zenbane
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    December 14, 2018

    Digikid1 said:

    With all due respect to those who do not believe in Aliens......they are flat out WRONG!



    I look forward to the "flat out PROOF" ;)

    With so many planets/solar systems out there and the
    size of the universe....the chances of Aliens being out there is
    1000000%  Pure and simple.

    Well that's a made up formula. That's not flat out proof! All you did was rephrase the question and then offered it back up as evidence. Also, 1000000% is not a real number when determining probably. The concept of probability stops at 100%.

    I would counter your probability argument by pointing to the theory of Dark Matter and the Multiverse. I'm going to fumble through this part since I'm going from memory. But each Universe has its own assigned number where we have just enough Dark Matter to create our Universe in such a way that Life on an Earth-like Planet can only exist once per Universe. Therefore, our planet, Earth, has won that lottery ticket. In a system with a finite set of numbers there is 0% chance for human-like existence on another Earth-like planet... within THIS Universe.

    If we follow the Dark Matter and Multiverse theory, and then use your extreme probability calculator, then there is a 1000000% chance that there are multiple universes, and each universe will have its own Earth-like planet.

    To go back to snowdog's theory where everything relies on just reverse engineering stuff n' thaangs, there is currently zero evidence to suggest that any form of life (human, animal, alien, faeries, demons, etc) can travel beyond the boundaries of our known Universe and in to another Universe.

    We have to think in terms of probability in our known Universe, and consider the theory that: to sustain human-like life on an Earth-like planet, the Multiverse only grants one winning lottery number per Universe.

    All other forms of life in our known Universe would be a "lesser life form." So... is there other life in our Universe? Sure, in the form of single celled organisms and possibly some complex organisms living in water. But nothing that could invent the wheel, start a fire, or create technology so complex that we humans are taking decades to reverse engineer.

    Anonymous
    December 14, 2018
    Well Palmer Luckey managed to reverse engineer the Rift from alien technology so ANYTHING is possible lol :p :D

    I don't believe in alien abduction though, because if aliens were abducting human beings to study they would most certainly abduct me - the second most superior human being on the planet. The first, of course, being @vannagirl.
    Zenbane
    Zenbane
    Honored Contributor
    December 14, 2018
    I still want to believe that the creatures we think are Aliens from another Planet/Galaxy, are really just an advanced species living inside our Oceans!

    A fun Alien vid:
    Fazz
    Honored Contributor
    December 14, 2018
    I'm not sure about Aliens, but I've stumbled on stories about military personal and pilots seeing Ufo's (Unidentified Fly Objects). The pilots and military personal who have witnessed them say they can do things that no other aircraft can do and that they appear to be under intelligent control. 

    The biggest story in the UK was the Rendlesham Forest incident back in 1980, and happened at a USA military Air base. It was witnessed by the Colonel of the base and a whole load of other military personal, which happened over the course of a few nights. 

    I've also come across @Zenbane friends theory about the ocean, but also heard the theory about Ufo's and other dimensions.

    I think if they are real then they really like to frustrate use humans. They don't mind been seen on occasions, but will not properly reveal themselves to use all. They just seem to put on a light show and then they are gone in the blink of an eye, leaving those who have witnessed them scratching their heads..
    Zenbane
    Zenbane
    Honored Contributor
    December 14, 2018

    RedRizla said:

    I'm not sure about Aliens, but I've stumbled on stories about military personal and pilots seeing Ufo's (Unidentified Fly Objects). The pilots and military personal who have witnessed them say they can do things that no other aircraft can do and that they appear to be under intelligent control.



    What I like about these stories is that they do not seem to consider unmanned aircraft. When people refer to "doing things no other aircraft can do," they are using aircraft requiring a human pilot as a baseline. I have a remote control toy car with tires that expand and the rubber becomes weaved like a spiderweb. There is no known vehicle that can do this lol

    Our military uses drones now, controlled by a human far away using a HOTAS. Once we take the human out of the vehicle, there's all sorts of crazy stuff we can do; since we don't have to worry about hurting a person inside the craft.
    Fazz
    Honored Contributor
    December 14, 2018

    Zenbane said:


    RedRizla said:

    I'm not sure about Aliens, but I've stumbled on stories about military personal and pilots seeing Ufo's (Unidentified Fly Objects). The pilots and military personal who have witnessed them say they can do things that no other aircraft can do and that they appear to be under intelligent control.



    What I like about these stories is that they do not seem to consider unmanned aircraft. When people refer to "doing things no other aircraft can do," they are using aircraft requiring a human pilot as a baseline. I have a remote control toy car with tires that expand and the rubber becomes weaved like a spiderweb. There is no known vehicle that can do this lol

    Our military uses drones now, controlled by a human far away using a HOTAS. Once we take the human out of the vehicle, there's all sorts of crazy stuff we can do; since we don't have to worry about hurting a person inside the craft.



    I think they say this because they have to ask another question if not. Like who is the controller if there is no pilot and where exactly are they if they are not sat inside one of these things?
    kojack
    kojack
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    December 14, 2018

    DaftnDirect said:

    Are there aliens? yes, almost certainly. Have any visited Earth? no, definitely not.




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    sford52
    Inspiring
    December 14, 2018

    Zenbane said:

    ....

    Another way to think of this question... Is the game, StarCraft, by Blizzard Entertainment, really a documentary?
    :p


    I'm afraid you've selected the wrong documentary.

    Game over man, game over



    I always liked Cixin Liu's solution to the Fermi paradox, but I think I believe in the "It is the nature of intelligent life to destroy itself" theory actually. Still, anxious to see if Ready At Dawn folks wet their little webbed feet.
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