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December 13, 2018
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Aliens - Fact Or Fiction..?

Well we've had a time travel thread so I thought we should have an aliens thread too.

I believe that aliens have visited and are visiting our planet. Now I don't think that there are aliens that are living here and impersonating humans, but I certainly believe that at least SOME of these UFOs captured on film and seen by people are alien spacecraft.

How am I reasoning this? Pretty simple. There have simply been too many technological leaps since the 50s to make it not being true. Just have a think about it:

  1. Integrated circuits and microchips.
  2. Credit cards and bank cards.
  3. Cassette tapes, CDs, DVDs, Blu-Rays.
  4. Kevlar
  5. Lasers
  6. Stealth bombers
  7. The Oculus Rift lol
  8. Velcro.
  9. Quantum Computers.
And then have a look back through time and you have the Pyramids, Mayan astronomy and cities, Stonehenge, the Inca's Machu Picchu and Teotihuacán in Mexico.

A great deal of these UFO sightings are around air bases so a good percentage of them can be put down to experimental aircraft, but ALL of them?

The truth is out there. Trust no one.

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    Techy111
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    December 14, 2018

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    bigmike20vt
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    December 14, 2018
    I am in the 100% definitely aliens exist. With over 100billion stars in the milky way and over 400 billion planets AND that being just one of millions of galaxies I think it is hubris to some how think we are the only planet with life. Whether aliens ever have or ever will visit our planet I am not so sure. I don't think I am qualified to really say with confidence either way, after all 2000 years ago what we take for granted today would seem like sorcery.
    There is a school of thought that life on this planet may have been seeded from another one (either by direct influence or microbes on an asteroid). I think there is just as much chance of that than a pure cosmic fluke.
    It's an interesting topic. With a gun to my head I would say no.... The distances are too great but really who the hell knows. It is more plausible to me than god, devil and angels put it that way, but to each their own
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    SkScotchegg
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    December 14, 2018

    snowdog said:

    Well we've had a time travel thread so I thought we should have an aliens thread too.

    I believe that aliens have visited and are visiting our planet. Now I don't think that there are aliens that are living here and impersonating humans, but I certainly believe that at least SOME of these UFOs captured on film and seen by people are alien spacecraft.

    How am I reasoning this? Pretty simple. There have simply been too many technological leaps since the 50s to make it not being true. Just have a think about it:

    1. Integrated circuits and microchips.
    2. Credit cards and bank cards.
    3. Cassette tapes, CDs, DVDs, Blu-Rays.
    4. Kevlar
    5. Lasers
    6. Stealth bombers
    7. The Oculus Rift lol
    8. Velcro.
    9. Quantum Computers.
    And then have a look back through time and you have the Pyramids, Mayan astronomy and cities, Stonehenge, the Inca's Machu Picchu and Teotihuacán in Mexico.

    A great deal of these UFO sightings are around air bases so a good percentage of them can be put down to experimental aircraft, but ALL of them?

    The truth is out there. Trust no one.


    The thing is, you say all this came since the 50's but actually inventors and scientist stand on the backs of the people that came before them across thousands of years. We wouldn't of reached this point without our ancestors learning new things across the ages.

    I don't believe Aliens or UFC sightings or any of that, but the universe is a big place and there's more chance of life existing on other planets then not existing. 
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    kojack
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    December 14, 2018

    Techy111 said:





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    JohnnyDioxin
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    December 14, 2018
    Didn't I hear a story on the news this last year of one of the deep space probes finding evidence of water-based life on a planet somewhere?

    Isn't that alien life, then?
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    December 14, 2018

    bigmike20vt said:

    I am in the 100% definitely aliens exist. With over 100billion stars in the milky way and over 400 billion planets AND that being just one of millions of galaxies I think it is hubris to some how think we are the only planet with life. Whether aliens ever have or ever will visit our planet I am not so sure. I don't think I am qualified to really say with confidence either way, after all 2000 years ago what we take for granted today would seem like sorcery.
    There is a school of thought that life on this planet may have been seeded from another one (either by direct influence or microbes on an asteroid). I think there is just as much chance of that than a pure cosmic fluke.
    It's an interesting topic. With a gun to my head I would say no.... The distances are too great but really who the hell knows. It is more plausible to me than god, devil and angels put I that way, but to each their own


    Exactly. 

    Sorry @Zenbane but let’s just agree to disagree on this one.  ;)

    Theories are just ideas......not actual truth. 
    Zenbane
    Zenbane
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    December 14, 2018

    Digikid1 said:

    Sorry @Zenbane but let’s just agree to disagree on this one.  ;)

    Theories are just ideas......not actual truth. 


    Yes a theory is not truth, but you haven't presented either an idea nor a theory. Saying that someone is "flat out wrong" isn't truth in itself. I am more interested in talking about the scientific aspect of Aliens and their ability to travel across galaxies. So far you seem only interested in saying that you are right and other people are wrong. That's not much of a discussion.
    kojack
    kojack
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    December 14, 2018
    Of course if we are using scientific terminology, then a theory is the verified (by testing and experimentation) explanation, not just an idea (that's a hypothesis).

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    Zenbane
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    December 14, 2018


    I am in the 100% definitely aliens exist. With over 100billion stars in the milky way and over 400 billion planets AND that being just one of millions of galaxies I think it is hubris to some how think we are the only planet with life.



    When talking about "life on other planets," yes there is a very strong chance that at the very least, a single celled organism exists on other planets. But when talking about "aliens" ... we are talking about some species from another planet that has advanced far beyond humans to the point that they can travel vast distances on par with the speed of light. And that's where the more Fairy Tale side of things comes in to play.

    Your argument, like that of many others who believe in Aliens visiting Earth, is based on the idea that "probability" is proof in itself. Just because there are billions of stars doesn't mean that Alien life on another planet exists. There are many factors required for a planet to sustain life, including that planets ability to survive millions of years in order for evolution to occur. Yet with all the forces in the Universe that are constantly trying to essentially kill life on a planet, it is hubris to think that the evolution of sentient beings is easily achievable.

    What's interesting is that you actually mention one of the main reasons that life on other planets cannot sustain itself: too many stars. Do you know what happens when all those 100 billion stars die? A damn supernova!

    Supernova's are just one of the many ways that the Universe is trying to murder all life. Here is a great list of all the ways the Universe is trying to kill us:
    1. Rogue Black Holes
    2. Galactic cannibalism
    3. Gamma Ray Bursts
    4. Asteroid impact
    5. Supernova
    6. Planetary Collision

    And that's just the Universe. But Earth is another matter. It loves trying to kill us every day... with natural disasters, microbes.

    The Universe is quite the mass murderer, and it's hubris to think that avoiding death is so easily achievable that other sentient beings are just getting along fine and inventing interplanetary travel across the cosmos.
    ;)
    DaftnDirect
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    December 14, 2018

    There's a decent BBC program The Search for Life: The Drake Equation, I'm sure it'll be on YouTube somewhere... that gives the maths involved in determining how many intelligent alien civilisations there are out there and how accurate that equation is likely to be given the individual range of values that the elements of the equation have.

    You'd have to apply the maths of travelling from the nearest of those civilisations to earth to get near to understanding whether we've been visited or not.

    Then you'd have to apply some reasoning as to why a civillation would expend the kind of resources needed to making such a journey.

    Then you'd have to decide which is more likely... people believing in alien visitations because they want it to be true... or that it's happened.

    There has been a recent recording from a USAF pilot but it strikes me that any country involved in experimental aircraft design would want to protect their investment by not informing military pilots of what they were testing... and governments would be happy to let reports of UFO go public just in case the public witnessed anything.

    Also, it's interesting to note that just about everyone has a camera on there person now but the only time when there was a big increase in UFO photos was when the X Files first aired, that says a whole lot about us.

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