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April 1, 2019
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Next Gen Consoles targeting more than 10.7 Tflops?

Apparently Google Stadia has Sony and Microsoft concerned and rumors are flying that they will have their consoles exceed the 10.7 tflops of stadia's streaming service. That would be higher than a GTX 1080 at 9 teraflops.

According to the leak, Sony’s PS5 is aiming higher than Google Stadia’s 10.7 teraflop GPU. Not only the PS5, but Microsoft’s next Xbox codenamed Lockhart is also said to be gunning for the same target GPU.

The information comes from Kotaku’s Jason Schreier, who is a trusted source on industry insider knowledge. Schreier further claimed that both next-gen consoles are set to launch next year.


If this turns out to be legit, PSVR 2 could be a real contender and I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft decides to jump in as well. 

https://digiworthy.com/2019/03/29/next-xbox-ps5-teraflops-stadia/

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Honored Contributor
April 1, 2019
Interesting times. I'd like to know more about Google's server based gaming (or I suppose cloud-based is the term these days).

Is tflop performance completely independent of internet performance? or is some sort of throttle necessary to compensate for any lag? If so, claims of performance could be similar to service providers claims of performance and we'll have 'up to' inserted in small print at the bottom of the adverts.
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pyroth309Author
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April 1, 2019


Interesting times. I'd like to know more about Google's server based gaming (or I suppose cloud-based is the term these days).

Is tflop performance completely independent of internet performance? or is some sort of throttle necessary to compensate for any lag? If so, claims of performance could be similar to service providers claims of performance and we'll have 'up to' inserted in small print at the bottom of the adverts.


Tflops is a measurement of the GPU power but it doesn't always translate directly to more FPS. There's other factors with architecture. 1 Tflop = 1 trillian floating-point operations per second. For example the Radeon VII has 13.8 TFLOPS and gets beat by the 1080TI for a lot of games in FPS. Drivers and API matter as well.

The Google Server spec for Stadia is 10.7 Tflops of power so it's close to a 1080TI which is 11.3 but since it's an AMD card on the server it's probably more like a 1080 in gaming performance. 

If you play a game on it, it can provide that kind of graphical fidelity. That's not accounting for the lag, Google hopes you forget about input lag.


Honored Contributor
April 1, 2019
yeah, I guess thinking about it, graphical power doesn't impact on lag unless it's being used to deliver a higher frame rate or higher resolution... then that in turn could be an issue for slower or laggy connections.

So, has 4k gaming been touted for Google Stadia? I'm guessing 30fps? or 25 for UK?
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pyroth309Author
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April 1, 2019
I updated my post to be more correct, I gave a quick explanation and it wasn't correct enough.

I would imagine 4k gaming is the goal with specs like that. 

I just found this - 
https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/19/18271702/google-stadia-cloud-gaming-service-announcement-gdc-2019

Google says it expects to support up to 4K at 60 fps at launch over an internet connection with around 30Mbps of bandwidth, and it’s planning to support up to 8K resolutions and 120 fps in the future.

Up and Coming
April 1, 2019
Its very much doable even current  NVIDIA 1660ti has crossed it, its doing 11Tflops 

https://www.techarp.com/computer/first-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1660-ti/

Since its just $280 Card...cranking it in console no big deal at $450/500 release cost. 
Honored Contributor
April 1, 2019
ah there are those words.... up to ;)

Actually if they manage 4k 60fps on a 30Mbps connection, that's ok for a lot of people (depending on what their definition of no, or acceptable lag is).

I can imagine a few scenarios where dad starts watching Netflix and little Timmy gets fragged cos of an fps wobble.
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ah there are those words.... up to ;)

Actually if they manage 4k 60fps on a 30Mbps connection, that's ok for a lot of people (depending on what their definition of no, or acceptable lag is).

I can imagine a few scenarios where dad starts watching Netflix and little Timmy gets fragged cos of an fps wobble.
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Every1 need their own DSL lines then in each household...meh its pocket killing.
Honored Contributor
April 1, 2019
I couldn’t care less about Google or their crap but it’s good to hear some info about the new Xbox. 
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April 1, 2019

Digikid1 said:

I couldn’t care less about Google or their crap but it’s good to hear some info about the new Xbox. 


Did you put your hands on XB ONE X ( Now cheap as $382) ?
https://www.amazon.com/Xbox-One-X-1TB-Console/dp/B074WPGYRF
is it satisfying? Why Ms is not bringing VR to One X is elephant in the room question, when they already have WMR thing. Which in my opinion is way better to PSVR in tracking as on today.
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April 1, 2019
Actually yes I do have a Xbox One X. Best console out there. Why they abandoned the Oculus project on it is beyond me as it is more than capable of doing so. Probably saving it as a selling point to the next Xbox.