Rifting while high/stoned

"V8Griff" wrote:

"Wolf7115" wrote:

"2EyeGuy" wrote:
Recreational drugs really are bad, they aren't making that up. Drugs are illegal for a good reason.

The exceptions are coffee, tea, and energy drinks, which actually are good for you and will increase your life span and protect your brain. Although you still have to beware of the side effects and addiction.

So, tobacco is also legal for good reason?

Tobacco is an historical exception, it would never be okayed now for the obvious reasons but it's far too entrenched in society now and can't be banned outright for many reasons.

The most important ones being the fact that Tobacco supports many third world countries economies and there are huge tax revenues to consider as well as a myriad of others.

As I recall, this thread was not about whether or not illegal drugs should be legalized. Congrats on completely derailing the thread, by the way.

I myself doesn't do drugs, but I also think that it is completely rediculous that certain ones, like marijuana, is illegal. I'm not going to bother with writing an entire essay about it, but in short, it would definately assist with the global economy. Not only that, but it's far less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco.

"goofy" wrote:

"cubytes" wrote:

"goofy" wrote:
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hahaha

i cant imagine what it would be like to experience VR while trippin balls on hardcore psychedelics.

ganja yea (although I would advise against it on first time use) LSD and shroom yea but very powerful celestial fungus DMT and Salvia are not typically what you would call recreational. they more like spiritual teachers. DMT in particular especially if you go the ayahuasca brew method. you better have a very good reason, question/inquiry prepared before you go on that journey....

i agree with you that education/awareness of drugs is more important then just saying "drugs are bad" but moderation is key theres also the matter of toxicity and the issue of legality

plus once you alter your mind there is no un-altering it there is no going back. the brain is surprising very malleable a la neuroplasticity. mind altering drugs literally alter your mind as if re-wiring connections altering the code changing your perception altering your priorities thus is the path towards addiction. especially if the drug sends erroneous signals across your mesolimbic pathway artificially reinforcing that reward status.

with powerful long lasting psychedelics always ALWAYS error on the side of caution and have a sane sitter watch your back capable of comforting you should you slip into depths of darkness despair and panic.

also i love the stoned ape theory :D

I never had a full gaming/"watching" session in the rift on psychedelics, I just tried it for a short time to see what it's like.
It's not as crazy as one thinks it is, maybe that changes with the DK2.

What do you mean with "celestial fungus" ?
And you are wrong, ALL drugs CAN be used recreationally.
I like to use psychedelics and dissociatives (ketamine cures depression and reliefs social anxiety for weeks in a single dose less-than-treshold dose, has no side effects and has more research behind it than any other antidepressive medication) as powerful exploring/healing tools, but also for recreation purposes.
DMT is purely recreational when smoked, ayahuasca is what can do the healing.
Salvia can be used for recreation but it's not enjoyable for everyone.
I think you mistake Salvia with "getting pushed by your friends to try a way too strong 100X extract of salvia for the first time and you dont even know what you just smoked", which explains those youtube videos.

I used many different psychedelics for more than 100 times and I ALWAYS tripped alone.
While a sitter makes a lot of sense for newbie users, i's not absolutely neccesary.

plus once you alter your mind there is no un-altering it there is no going back

Well, the mind get's altered every second of your life.
New neuronal connections are made, old ones die off whatever you do.
Smartphones and using the internet alter the reward system in the same way amphetamines/cocaine does.
It's an ongoing process, you can't say "once you did drugs and they altered your mind, there's no way to regain your old self".
Many Hardcore drug addicts (heroin, methamphetamine, nicotine, GABAergics can be cured by a single ibogaine dose for example. Methadon is just to get people addicted on another drug to make money of it.

I think VR-sickness has other receptors/pathways involved than the "normal" nausea which can be cured by dopamine d2 antagonists/ 5ht3a antagonists / THC/CBD/CBN.
The "VR sickness" is more like a tobacco flash.
Feeling hot, cold sweat, feeling dizzy and confused senses.

"celestial fungus" has a nice ring to it doesn't it? not quite as popular as "magic mushroom". there's a study that was done awhile back that shown that spores from fungus could survive in the vacuum of space and there's a theory that maybe just maybe fungus might have an extra-terrestrial origin ergo celestial fungus. have you seen some of the fungus out there? it just looks alien doesn't it? or is that just me? fungus is unlike any other species on the on the planet. actually fungus is more similar in DNA to animals then to plants. weird right?

recreational = for fun, enjoyable, pleasant, good times

you're right about neuroplasticity being an ongoing moment to moment occurrence. small alterations occur everyday but mind altering drugs make major alterations to the mind in a relatively short amount of time by comparison. sure over-time these alterations can be mitigated and yea some of these alterations are minor temporary changes that fade once the effects wear off but other alterations are full blown neuronal pathway rewiring. then there's the memory of the experience that is pretty much permanent and hard to forget.

therefore the decision to use mind altering drugs should not be taken lightly.

personally i prefer sobriety. I cherish clarity of thought. i meditate if i need to silence my mind.

with that said if someone wants to explore altered states of consciousness who am i to tell them otherwise?

just do me a favor and error on the side of caution. be mindful of toxicity/dosage and do not underestimate the physical and psychological consequences involved in such endeavors.

also didn't mean to derail this thread with a discussion about "drugs".

lets get back to VR!

Hi guys.

Not here to spoil anyones fun, but by some wierd coincidence I found out my friend died last night from too many drugs while I was reading this thread. Not trying to influence what anybody does, just a reminder to take care.

While the topic is certainly intriguing, it seems to no longer be about VR and not relevant to the forum.

Sorry, gonna have to close this one down. Also moving to the lounge.