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February 4, 2014

Full-Dive Technology Idea

  • February 4, 2014
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Ok. Hey guys i have a rough theory of how full-dive could work.

Take an EEG, used to measure electrical impulses of the brain. If you would use a tech like that to send signals back as well as receive them, while at the same time diverting them into the PC (Player Character) rather than into a persons real body, then there is the full dive system right there. The only problem would be how to calibrate it all, but with the advanced tech we have, I have no doubt that it could be done.

There's my theory. I think it could work but if you have doubts just tell me and i'll try to improve it!
:D

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    New Participant
    July 17, 2014
    there is no need to disable the musculature in the body from my perspective. it has already been shown via fMRI that when you visualize doing an activity versus actually doing it, the same firing pattern occurs. The brain itself simply doesn't transmit the signals down to the final muscles. Long term, I'd imagine a miniaturization of fMRI or a novel but functionally similar technology would result in the ability to read output with sufficient granularity. Machine learning courses commonly show image recreations of people's visual input when shown a clip, or even what they 'see' in their dreams. The images are hazy today, but we are in the knee of the singularity, so progress will be rapid beyond most people's comprehension.

    I've always envisioned watching my dogs dream as being exactly the phenomena of self muscle-inhibition, with some of the impulses 'leaking' hence the twitching (greatly subdued running movements) and funny noises they make when dreaming. There are a few youtube videos of dogs getting up and blasting into the wall during a dream, oops signal made it all the way down, heh.
    Participant
    July 17, 2014
    "sdiguana" wrote:
    there is no need to disable the musculature in the body from my perspective. it has already been shown via fMRI that when you visualize doing an activity versus actually doing it, the same firing pattern occurs. The brain itself simply doesn't transmit the signals down to the final muscles. Long term, I'd imagine a miniaturization of fMRI or a novel but functionally similar technology would result in the ability to read output with sufficient granularity. Machine learning courses commonly show image recreations of people's visual input when shown a clip, or even what they 'see' in their dreams. The images are hazy today, but we are in the knee of the singularity, so progress will be rapid beyond most people's comprehension.

    I've always envisioned watching my dogs dream as being exactly the phenomena of self muscle-inhibition, with some of the impulses 'leaking' hence the twitching (greatly subdued running movements) and funny noises they make when dreaming. There are a few youtube videos of dogs getting up and blasting into the wall during a dream, oops signal made it all the way down, heh.


    thats right. But how would that behave for super conscious movements that require high concentration like playing a piano. Walking in a dream or any other activity in a dream are most of the time very vague. As is the experience dreaming in itself is.
    I dont know whats so absurd about genetically modifying a human.
    I would like to be the first. :mrgreen:

    http://physiology.med.cornell.edu/faculty/nirenberg/lab/papers/PNAS-2012-Nirenberg-1207035109.pdf

    Furthermore,
    the results show, using 9,800 optogenetically stimulated ganglion
    cell responses, that the combined effect of using the code and
    high-resolution stimulation is able to bring prosthetic capabilities
    into the realm of normal image representation.


    But again it would be totally unnecessary to use optogenetics or electrodes to put in virtual images.
    Eye is already an easy accessible open interface to the brain, as ear and nose.
    The reason why we need BCI would be only because the tactile sense is so impractical to communicate with unlike the eye or ear and for motoric output.
    http://vrdisplay.blogspot.de/
    Up and Coming
    July 21, 2014
    like this?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJBB5rxs-8E

    but he's just almost like using facial recognition like kinect though ;)
    Participant
    August 13, 2014
    although its impossible to predict the future i think sometimes i can. :lol:
    At least it is a lot of fun.
    Lets assume there is a technology that interfaces your motoric nerves and sensory nerves by modest surgical expenditure. Like 2 hours. Perhaps even robots as surgeons. :)
    How much would someone pay for this? Imagine a Matrix that equals reality to a volummetric resolution of 100µm and the size of a big town like Manhattan, some additional rain forests, ocean.....etc...all what would fit onto a hundred PB.
    Chicks with 'some' emotional intelligence so that they wont appear like some dumb boring sex robots.
    HOw much is this worth if you can be almost endlessly rich like the earl of Monte Christo?
    Would you sell your house for it?
    I think many, many people would like to do that. One could compare it to space tourism, although nerve interfaces would give you one badass space trip you could never have in reality.
    There are hundreds of people right now that are eager to pay 20,000 dollrs only for a few minutes in space.
    Worldwide there are over 26 million millionaires. Imagine those ones would finance reserach and development of nerve interface technologies. Every millionaire would invest his fortune, well worth trillions of dollars to enable that.
    Would you give away millions of dollars so that everyone on mother earth can be a trillionaire, god?
    http://vrdisplay.blogspot.de/
    Participant
    August 13, 2014
    http://www.gizmag.com/worlds-smallest-nanobot-propeller/33182/

    In order to test it, the scientist placed it in a hyaluronan gel, which is similar in consistency to bodily fluids. Like those fluids, the gel contains a mesh of entangled long polymer protein chains. In previous studies, larger micrometer-sized propellers got caught in these chains, slowing or completely halting their progress. The new nanoprop, however, was able to move relatively quickly by simply passing through the gaps in the mesh.



    "One can now think about targeted applications, for instance in the eye where they may be moved to a precise location at the retina," said team member Peer Fischer, of the Max Planck Institute.




    Or the intracellular matrix of a nerve fiber where many polymer chains like collagen fibres between axons hang around.
    Now make a MEMS drill that drills a whole into a outer main nerve shell (consists of collagen and is aka epineurium)
    and let the nanobots go marching in. :lol:

    nanobotpropeller.png


    The nanopropellers are not only promising for applications in the extracellular environment but small enough to be taken up by cells.

    Like for transfecting an axon with a plasmid vector that contains the sequence for an optogenetic surpressor,excitation gene.

    http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/nn502360t?prevSearch=propeller&searchHistoryKey=
    http://vrdisplay.blogspot.de/
    Participant
    August 14, 2014
    as for those small nanobots that can manouver in such molecule jungles like bodily fluids.
    The peripheral nervous system actually is a confined connected biological structure like the vascular system.
    So once millions of nanobots get injecting in lets say a hand nerve , they can reach every point in the nervous system
    from there reaching every nerve.
    Because between all the axons in a nerve bundle there is a space called endoneurium filled with a fluid similar to
    the cerebral fluid. Very watery and liquid. But some collagen fibers.

    english subtitles to enable. Researches fro U de Montreal were the first who steered nanobots with a modified MRT
    throughout a rabbits arteria. All in real time with live image feedback seeing the bots on the monitor. :D



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    http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2011/03/fantastic-voyage-a-world-first-nanobots-deliver-anti-cancer-drug-by-remote-control-486101.html
    http://vrdisplay.blogspot.de/
    Participant
    August 22, 2014
    would be great to see one of these little animals which only measure 200nm in diameter in future in humans but gene modified and equipped with nanoantennas and biofuelcells that could make electricity from ubiqutous sugar in the body.









    Enzymatic fuel cells use enzymes to produce energy from bioavailable substrates. However, such biofuel cells are limited by the difficult electrical wiring of enzymes to the electrode. Here we show the efficient wiring of enzymes in a conductive pure carbon nanotube matrix for the fabrication of a glucose biofuel cell (GBFC). Glucose oxidase and laccase were respectively incorporated in carbon nanotube disks by mechanical compression. The characterization of each bioelectrode shows an open circuit potential corresponding to the redox potential of the respective enzymes, and high current densities for glucose oxidation and oxygen reduction. The mediatorless GBFC delivers a high power density up to 1.3 mW cm−2 and an open circuit voltage of 0.95 V. Moreover, the GBFC remains stable for 1 month and delivers 1 mW cm−2 power density under physiological conditions (5×10−3 mol l−1 glucose, pH 7). To date, these values are the best performances obtained for a GBFC.
    http://vrdisplay.blogspot.de/
    Participant
    August 22, 2014

    http://vrdisplay.blogspot.de/
    Participant
    August 23, 2014



    Wireless network computing nanobots in my body. :shock:
    This is based on newly invented meta-material graphene ribbon antennas that use four orders of magnitude less power
    in comparison to metallic antennas. Also the antenna is much smaller than the wavelength, 0.1-10Thz.

    nanodevice.png

    Here i found a whole lecture series about nanonetworks. :D
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I508S10S0EM&list=UUyyXlYgLYuq0Vonq8C_nzVQ
    In 24:30 he mentions the application for nerve interfaces. OMG! UNPLUG NOW! :lol:


    By the way, Dennis Aabo Sorenson could be the first human whose hand could be connected to a VR NOW!
    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25008-natural-sense-of-touch-restored-with-bionic-hand.html#.U_iGDvl_t8E
    http://vrdisplay.blogspot.de/
    New Participant
    November 7, 2014
    The easiest way I see it happening is using a combination of sensors in the neck region and injecting the body with the chemical that is naturally produced while sleeping that paralyzes the body so that nerve signals could be read without actual motion. combine that with the oculus and maybe some kind of suit that stimulates touch, and you have a full body dive function. the only real problem would be mapping the signals from the brain there would have to be a lengthy calibration step for each person.