Steam Hardware Survey - July 2025 results included (see latest post in this thread)

RedRizla said:
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The Vive Pro is to expensive for a lot of people that's why it's not selling well. It's the same reason why you think Oculus might have sold lots more headsets for £299 and not £379. You could say the Vive Pro might have sold lots if it dropped it's price to £400..

Not entirely accurate @RedRizla - we are seeing an incredible number of Vive Pro sales in commercial entertainment - and as the majority do not use Steam the numbers do not reflect this! 

kevinw729 said:

RedRizla said:
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The Vive Pro is to expensive for a lot of people that's why it's not selling well. It's the same reason why you think Oculus might have sold lots more headsets for £299 and not £379. You could say the Vive Pro might have sold lots if it dropped it's price to £400..

Not entirely accurate @RedRizla - we are seeing an incredible number of Vive Pro sales in commercial entertainment - and as the majority do not use Steam the numbers do not reflect this! 

We only sell Vives (Vive Pro now - the majority wireless).  Now, they do use Steam (before connecting to our own software), but are these recorded in the survey?  Or is it an actual survey that a user completes??

kevinw729 said:

Thanks for sharing @RuneSR2 - very interesting, was surprised that we did not see a peak during the Black Friday sales as well. It will be fascinating to see how the Oculus Go has done over the holidays.

 You're welcome - and yes, it would be great to see a new Rift increase like in the summer/autumn 2017 (red circle):



I hope Quest can get more people interested in PCVR - for now, Go doesn't seem to have persuaded many users to advance to the Rift. Quest will be interesting - for the same amount people could buy and XBox One X instead (or close)... or the Rift, hopefully Quest isn't too expensive for casual users. 

On another note Amazon has sold out of Rift´s and wont have any on stock till in 14 days.

KlodsBrik said:

On another note Amazon has sold out of Rift´s and wont have any on stock till in 14 days.

Maybe there are NO MORE!  Maybe the new stock will be...  RIFT 2!

RuneSR2 said:
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I hope Quest can get more people interested in PCVR - for now, Go doesn't seem to have persuaded many users to advance to the Rift. Quest will be interesting - for the same amount people could buy and XBox One X instead (or close)... or the Rift, hopefully Quest isn't too expensive for casual users. 

I hope you are right that they are prepared to make the system accessible to the "casual user", but I am concerned that the secrecy over what the sales will be will have a knock-on with software support. Other than those that are being commissioned there seems to be a "wait and see" attitude from developers looking at Quest.

I understand that there is no obligation to OVR to share sales numbers - though recent departures have filled the holes for many of us. My issue is that in order to build momentum it may help if they lower the curtain to encourage developers - especially as there will not be a Steam equivalent regarding penetration of Quest users. 

Hiro_Protag0nist said:
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Maybe there are NO MORE!  Maybe the new stock will be...  RIFT 2!

I think we have seen this before - some retailers before a major release clear stock towards ascertaining the popularity of the new line. Though that said many retailers that had VR lines on shelves have been clearing space (whats happening at the Microsoft Stores' a case in point). But this seems more to do with the inability of the lines to hit targets than preparation for a new system.

kevinw729 said:

RedRizla said:
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The Vive Pro is to expensive for a lot of people that's why it's not selling well. It's the same reason why you think Oculus might have sold lots more headsets for £299 and not £379. You could say the Vive Pro might have sold lots if it dropped it's price to £400..

Not entirely accurate @RedRizla - we are seeing an incredible number of Vive Pro sales in commercial entertainment - and as the majority do not use Steam the numbers do not reflect this! 

Edited my reply - wasn't very clear - i'm not talking about an entire market (consumer or Out of Home):

We (the company I work for - a VR software business (CAD)) only sell Vives (Vive Pro now - the majority wireless).  Now, they do use Steam (before connecting to our own software), but are these recorded in the survey?  Or is it an actual survey that a user completes??

To clarify: we also supply the hardware as packages.  It was always Vives at an early stage due to them having controllers and a "business edition".

Hiro_Protag0nist said:
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To clarify: we also supply the hardware as packages.  It was always Vives at an early stage due to them having controllers and a "business edition".

Thanks for that @@Hiro_Protag0nist - just a quick question, sell any Oculus CV1 BE's?

kevinw729 said:

Hiro_Protag0nist said:
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To clarify: we also supply the hardware as packages.  It was always Vives at an early stage due to them having controllers and a "business edition".

Thanks for that @@Hiro_Protag0nist - just a quick question, sell any Oculus CV1 BE's?

I'm pretty sure that's a no.  We have plenty of customers who already have CV1s though.

As for the Vive Pros with wireless and "sold out" - we are having a nightmare getting hold of enough of those (the wireless kits).

Hiro_Protag0nist said:
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As for the Vive Pros with wireless and "sold out" - we are having a nightmare getting hold of enough of those (the wireless kits).

Yeah, we feel your pain @Hiro_Protag0nist - the whole sector has spotted a scarcity of supply, and it is not helped by a reorg of management within HTC regarding the VR operation. I think after CES we will be in a better position to ascertain the availability of Vivwe, Vive Pro and the new FOCUS 6DoF.